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GB doesn’t “trade with” NI as such. They are the same country and the protocol incorporated in the trade agreement which so many people here were singing the praises of, allows goods to move freely between the EU, NI and GB despite the fact that NI to all intents and purposes is still in both the EU single market and the customs union.
What article 16 allows for is one side or the other to adopt case by case measures if difficulties arise and does not cancel that protocol.
I’m sure by now you’ve grasped the reason for all this, which is that NI can either have an open border with the ROI (EU) or with GB. But not both. The agreement is just about as close as you can get to squaring that circle by basically looking the other way largely. Invoking article 16 unilaterally would actually create barriers not remove them. “Free trade” so called between NI and GB would lead to customs checks within the island of Ireland which no one claims to want
What article 16 allows for is one side or the other to adopt case by case measures if difficulties arise and does not cancel that protocol.
I’m sure by now you’ve grasped the reason for all this, which is that NI can either have an open border with the ROI (EU) or with GB. But not both. The agreement is just about as close as you can get to squaring that circle by basically looking the other way largely. Invoking article 16 unilaterally would actually create barriers not remove them. “Free trade” so called between NI and GB would lead to customs checks within the island of Ireland which no one claims to want
Ich.NI trades with the clountries that are in GB.I know that.
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Previously NI was to all intents and purposes an integral part of the UK, trading wise. Yes goods come back and forth of course, it would be bizarre if they did not.
Since Brexit however, that has changed. But as I explained above, it's either continue as before with GB or continue as before with the EU.
Previously NI was to all intents and purposes an integral part of the UK, trading wise. Yes goods come back and forth of course, it would be bizarre if they did not.
Since Brexit however, that has changed. But as I explained above, it's either continue as before with GB or continue as before with the EU.
It's not clear that Northern Ireland is a "country", in any sense of the term. Even the UK Government is confused:
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In order to keep the open border between the two countries on the island of Ireland it was decided to have a border between NI and the rest of the UK in order to stop goods from the UK getting into the EU the "back way". Can somebody please explain why the border can't be between the EU and Eire instead. This would put a border between countries instead of through the middle of one (GB & NI).
//The country you live in is “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. Anything that happens within the UK is within the same country.//
The first part is correct. The second part, whilst technically correct, is misleading - at least as far as this question goes. The "Northern Ireland Protocol" effectively splits the UK into GB and NI. There is a customs border in the Irish Sea. Companies wishing to ship goods to NI (another part of the same country) have to complete customs formalities and comply with EU regulations on compliance, places of origin etc. To all intents and purposes, as far as movement of goods is concerned, NI is part of the EU. Used farming equipment has been refused permission to enter because it may be contaminated with British soil and may threaten the integrity of the EU's Single Market (even though such a practice has been going on for decades seemingly without any such threat materialising). There was even a report a week or so ago of the military having to complete import formalities to move their equipment from England to Northern Ireland.
The NI Protocol is an absolute disgrace. During the Brexit negotiations it was emphasised that there can be no border on the island of Ireland. The idea was unthinkable. But the notion of a border within a sovereign state is perfectly acceptable and we have ports in NI policed by customs inspectors from a foreign power. Quite frankly you could not make it up. It is clear that despite the assurances gained in the rush to sign the Withdrawal Agreement, the NI Protocol does not do what it says it should. I will not be signing the petition. If it was to lobby for the unilateral abolition of the NI Protocol I would, but asking for an Article to be used from a document that should never have been countenanced is something I am not prepared to do. The Protocol should be ditched and the EU told to tell its Irish lackeys to police its own border, as the UK has no intention of doing it for them by splitting the country into two.
The first part is correct. The second part, whilst technically correct, is misleading - at least as far as this question goes. The "Northern Ireland Protocol" effectively splits the UK into GB and NI. There is a customs border in the Irish Sea. Companies wishing to ship goods to NI (another part of the same country) have to complete customs formalities and comply with EU regulations on compliance, places of origin etc. To all intents and purposes, as far as movement of goods is concerned, NI is part of the EU. Used farming equipment has been refused permission to enter because it may be contaminated with British soil and may threaten the integrity of the EU's Single Market (even though such a practice has been going on for decades seemingly without any such threat materialising). There was even a report a week or so ago of the military having to complete import formalities to move their equipment from England to Northern Ireland.
The NI Protocol is an absolute disgrace. During the Brexit negotiations it was emphasised that there can be no border on the island of Ireland. The idea was unthinkable. But the notion of a border within a sovereign state is perfectly acceptable and we have ports in NI policed by customs inspectors from a foreign power. Quite frankly you could not make it up. It is clear that despite the assurances gained in the rush to sign the Withdrawal Agreement, the NI Protocol does not do what it says it should. I will not be signing the petition. If it was to lobby for the unilateral abolition of the NI Protocol I would, but asking for an Article to be used from a document that should never have been countenanced is something I am not prepared to do. The Protocol should be ditched and the EU told to tell its Irish lackeys to police its own border, as the UK has no intention of doing it for them by splitting the country into two.
"Can somebody please explain why the border can't be between the EU and Eire instead"
Um, that would be because the EU and Eire are in the same customs union and single market.
Going back to that youtube video, it is a little ironic coming from someone whose accent sounds like they come from the US, which is basically the UK with 50 bits not four :-)
Um, that would be because the EU and Eire are in the same customs union and single market.
Going back to that youtube video, it is a little ironic coming from someone whose accent sounds like they come from the US, which is basically the UK with 50 bits not four :-)
It's bascially like this:
The nasty EU next door lifted this ruddy great stick, which lets face it 99.9% of us, not having looked closely, didn't know was there.
This petition is really saying:
"If they can lift the ruddy great stick, so can we. That'll show 'em"
"And what does the ruddy great stick do?"
"Er ..."
The nasty EU next door lifted this ruddy great stick, which lets face it 99.9% of us, not having looked closely, didn't know was there.
This petition is really saying:
"If they can lift the ruddy great stick, so can we. That'll show 'em"
"And what does the ruddy great stick do?"
"Er ..."
"But NI and the rest of the UK are in the same customs union and single market or they were before this artificial split. It's one country they've put a border across. "
I an not sure what you mean by "artifical split" - the "artifical split" really is Brexit (although I suspect you don't mean that)
As I've tried a few times to explain, it's either a border between EU/NI or NI/GB - essentially. Except the agreement's protocol
attempts to cope with this as best it can.
Suggesting a border between the EU and Eire would be like asking two of your neighbours on the other side who share a property to put a fence up on their own land just because you''ve fallen out with one of them :-)
I an not sure what you mean by "artifical split" - the "artifical split" really is Brexit (although I suspect you don't mean that)
As I've tried a few times to explain, it's either a border between EU/NI or NI/GB - essentially. Except the agreement's protocol
attempts to cope with this as best it can.
Suggesting a border between the EU and Eire would be like asking two of your neighbours on the other side who share a property to put a fence up on their own land just because you''ve fallen out with one of them :-)
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