ChatterBank1 min ago
Vaccine Passports
Are you in favour??
The way I look at it, I can understand businesses & shops wanting to protect their customers, but to me the unvaccinated are taking the biggest risk.
The way I look at it, I can understand businesses & shops wanting to protect their customers, but to me the unvaccinated are taking the biggest risk.
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woofie: "TTT I am talking about a vaccine passport....a thing or a process, NOT about an individual country's decision on whether or how they will allow visitors.....did you not read the thread properly? " - yes I read it, did you write what you meant to write?
at 14:29 you said; "I have no idea. What I do have an idea about is that whatever is agreed for international travel will need to be internationally agreed. " - I merely pointed out that no nation needs an international agreement to impose rules on entry.
at 14:29 you said; "I have no idea. What I do have an idea about is that whatever is agreed for international travel will need to be internationally agreed. " - I merely pointed out that no nation needs an international agreement to impose rules on entry.
pixie: \\"//unneccessarily// because if the majority of people will never get covid (which we know), then the majority actually have no need for vaccination. I know it is a catch-all to minimise the spread. But individually- most people, will actually never need it. \\ - Gawd elp us! So by your illogic we should not bother?? You said it yourself it's a catch all to minimise the spread, if we did nothing then we'd all get it and either survive and thus contribute to herd immunity; or die. That approach was ruled out because we needed to avoid the health service being overwhelmed. you say "the majority will not get it" - yes but only because of the actions that have been taken. Unbelievable!
pixie
My point is, that giving any vaccine to a healthy person involves a risk.
But you forgot to add that it is utterly insignificant in contrast to the consequences of not having it against said disease, whichever it may be
Your argument seems to suggest that not having the vaccine is the way to go unless you conveniently need it for work in which case it is absolutely fine and safe lol
My point is, that giving any vaccine to a healthy person involves a risk.
But you forgot to add that it is utterly insignificant in contrast to the consequences of not having it against said disease, whichever it may be
Your argument seems to suggest that not having the vaccine is the way to go unless you conveniently need it for work in which case it is absolutely fine and safe lol
I didn't, SB. Maybe you need a reread too. I said, giving a vaccination to a healthy person, has a risk.
You seem to be only acknowledging that it's "less risk" than the disease, that the person may well not get.
I agree with both sides... but some are suggesting the choice is covid v. Vaccine.
I wad just asking for a little more honesty.
You seem to be only acknowledging that it's "less risk" than the disease, that the person may well not get.
I agree with both sides... but some are suggesting the choice is covid v. Vaccine.
I wad just asking for a little more honesty.
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pixie: "SB. My argument is that vaccines do cause some risk to healthy people.
Most people will not get covid, let alone die from it.
I agree with vaccines.
Which part is ridiculous? " - the part where you ignore the fact that the ONLY reason //Most people will not get covid, let alone die from it// is because of the measures being taken, including vaccination. By your illogic we shouldn't have vaccinated against polio!
Most people will not get covid, let alone die from it.
I agree with vaccines.
Which part is ridiculous? " - the part where you ignore the fact that the ONLY reason //Most people will not get covid, let alone die from it// is because of the measures being taken, including vaccination. By your illogic we shouldn't have vaccinated against polio!
Ttt, I don't think so? Even before vaccines, I believe less than 50% of the country had covid. Of course, vaccinating will help (hopefully massively). But have we ever honestly had a point, where " most people" get covid?
Vaccinations are great, even if it is a minority. But the idea that the two choices here are- have vaccine or die... seems dishonest and unreliable.
Vaccinations are great, even if it is a minority. But the idea that the two choices here are- have vaccine or die... seems dishonest and unreliable.
//A year from now if New Zealand lets folk in who haven't proof of being vaccinated I will be very surprised//
In fact, a year from now I'd be surprised if NZ allows anybody in. That country has decided that a "zero Covid" nation is what it is to become. The only way to achieve and maintain that is to allow nobody to land. It doesn't matter whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still a risk they may carry the disease. Less of a risk than an unvaccinated traveller, I agree. But a risk nonetheless. It is a strategy that no sensible nation can adopt - especially one which relies on trade and tourism. But that's the path NZ appears to have chosen.
In fact, a year from now I'd be surprised if NZ allows anybody in. That country has decided that a "zero Covid" nation is what it is to become. The only way to achieve and maintain that is to allow nobody to land. It doesn't matter whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still a risk they may carry the disease. Less of a risk than an unvaccinated traveller, I agree. But a risk nonetheless. It is a strategy that no sensible nation can adopt - especially one which relies on trade and tourism. But that's the path NZ appears to have chosen.
