Who Says Crime Doesn't Pay?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56381722
...why don't they wait for the outcome of the "trial"?

[andy-hughes]

Deskdiary - // I think what we all know is that if Chauvin is found innocent ... //

He will not be found 'innocent' - he will be found 'guilty' or 'not guilty' which is the legal process.

It is perfectly possible to be found 'not guilty' in court, and still be light years away from being 'innocent'.

[Paigntonian]

Maybe the huge sum was based on the amount the family thought he could steal during his lifetime...

[ToraToraTora]

he'll be found guilty, a racing certainty.

[Deskdiary]

Quite, AH, but pedantry aside, whether Chauvin is found to be not guilty (which for most people means innocent) or guilty, there's going to be protests.

If he's found innocent (sorry - not guilty) I'm willing to bet my house that there will be protests in London, and that is just nuts. It just is.

[ToraToraTora]

DD: "(which for most people means innocent)" - not to me it doesn't, many a "guilty" person has got off on a technicality.

[andy-hughes]

Not to me either.

Not guilty means that the prosecution failed to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt.

It does not mean the accused is innocent, just not guilty, and they are manifestly not the same thing.

[Mozz71]

//he'll be found guilty, a racing certainty.//

To me, that comment insinuates that you've already decided that the only two outcomes of this trial are "not guilty" or "rigged".

[ynnafymmi]

Perhaps Mr Chauvin should get the same lawyer that Alec(randy sandy)Salmond got,not only will he get fully exonerated of the crime,he will also be awarded the $27 million which was going to the totally innocent Mr Floyds family.

[New Judge]

It will be interesting to see if any such protests are permitted, whilst the vigils following the death of Sarah Everard have been prohibited.

[tomus42]

Interestingly, the BBC has also declared Chauvin guilty of murder, judging by the headline from your link.

[burlyshirley]

I must be the only one on here who couldn't give a stuff how this thug died ! I watched the video and he was resisting the police all the time and when he was thrown to the floor they had tried calmly to get him into the car, to no avail. If I remember rightly he was drugged up as well which wouldn't have helped his death. I feel sorry for the charged officer whose life must be hell now and I sincerely hope he gets off.

Depicting Floyd as an angel (as some memorials have) is sick in the extreme.

[andy-hughes]

burlyshirley - // I must be the only one on here who couldn't give a stuff how this thug died ! I watched the video and he was resisting the police all the time and when he was thrown to the floor they had tried calmly to get him into the car, to no avail. If I remember rightly he was drugged up as well which wouldn't have helped his death. I feel sorry for the charged officer whose life must be hell now and I sincerely hope he gets off. //

The fact remains that being a 'thug' does not mean you can die violently at the hands of the police and nothing being said or done about it.

If the police are not subject to the same laws regarding violent death as the rest of us, then what's the point of laws, or indeed police?

The law has to apply to everyone without fear or favour, and this officer is deemed to have potentially acted illegally and a result of that, a man has died.

That merits investigation, and has led to a trial, because in a civilsed society, resisting arrest should not lead to death.

[Peter Pedant]

// If the police are not subject to the same laws regarding violent death as the rest of us, then what's the point of laws, or indeed police?//

polemic rubbish of the purest kind - ( yeah OK strike out polemic)
The police are subject to completely different laws PACE springs to mind - than the rest of us
for deaths at work

for deaths er off duty one has to look only at the everard murder

I mean come on boys and gurlz - read today beano for chrissakes
very well put - much better than I cd

[Peter Pedant]

// That merits investigation, and has led to a trial, because in a civilsed society, resisting arrest should not lead to death.//

more arrant nonsense that is contrary to experience

if the police think you are armed and gonna use it they can shoot you shrug and say oops
if they think you have bomba - ditto
kaput ! gone !

you are spending too long indoors andie

[Sqad]

Andy.....I agree with shirley in the entirety of her post in that she couldn't care a " stuff" how he died.
She has not suggested that he should not be subjected to the US legal system differently to anyone else.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // Andy.....I agree with shirley in the entirety of her post in that she couldn't care a " stuff" how he died. //

Then she and yourself, and myself must agree to differ.

If I hear that some has died a violent death, I am unable not to 'give a stuff' - but as I say, we differ on that attitude.

[Sqad]

Andy.....indeed.

[andy-hughes]

Peter - // / If the police are not subject to the same laws regarding violent death as the rest of us, then what's the point of laws, or indeed police?//

polemic rubbish of the purest kind - ( yeah OK strike out polemic)
The police are subject to completely different laws PACE springs to mind - than the rest of us
for deaths at work

for deaths er off duty one has to look only at the everard murder

I mean come on boys and gurlz - read today beano for chrissakes
very well put - much better than I cd //

As usual, I am utterly unable to respond to any point that there might be hidden in your incomrehensible babble - precisley because it is, as usual, hidden, and I am not minded to waste my time trying to figure it out.

If you want to try writing in plain English for once, I will be happy to debate any differences in opinion with you.

In the mean time, your nonsensical posts will continue to be ignored.

[burlyshirley]

andy - I couldn't give a stuff what you think of my opinion either lol.

[andy-hughes]

burlyshirley - // andy - I couldn't give a stuff what you think of my opinion either lol. //

In my experience, people who hold opinions of the type that you offer almost always feel obliged to point out that they don;t care what others think about their views.

That's another difference, if I genuinely didn't care what anyone thought of my views, i would regard them as pointless, and would not bother expressing them.

I assume I am not alone in being singled out for the advice that my opinion about your view doesn;t matter - I am sure that applies to everyone, unless of course they agree with you, but who wants to be agreed with all the time, how boring is that?