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bobbinwales "Thanks woofgang but thats not something that was in my mind- too medical. I was answering the query about why its been raised as a issue with AZ but not phiezzer (yet?)"
I think its one of those "correlation does not imply causation" things. PP jokes about "OMG my cat died and i got vaccinated yesterday it must have caused my cat to die" and we see that as an unlikely causation, but to us "He/she got vaccinated and now has a rare thrombosis" does appear more likely, especially in the EU where there have already been issues with the AZ vaccine because its "British"
I think its one of those "correlation does not imply causation" things. PP jokes about "OMG my cat died and i got vaccinated yesterday it must have caused my cat to die" and we see that as an unlikely causation, but to us "He/she got vaccinated and now has a rare thrombosis" does appear more likely, especially in the EU where there have already been issues with the AZ vaccine because its "British"
On the contrary it is you who have put people in their place for months, constantly saying anything is better than getting covid, you even said it was a worse death than cancer. I could have pasted your whole answer, it would have made no difference, mixing vaccines or whatever you suggested you still maintain whatever the side effects it's better than getting covid.
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"Well I wasn't but thanks to this thread , I am now ! "
I don't think there is any need to be worried: that's not to say though that it isn't right to be cautious.
Most if not all of the countries involved have a backlog of AZ supplies, and many are already facing electorates unhappy about a slow roll-out, so I would be a bit surprised if there is anything "political" about this other than posterior-covering.
The last thing anyone needs is a willy-waving "we are faster and better than you" approach from either side.
I don't think there is any need to be worried: that's not to say though that it isn't right to be cautious.
Most if not all of the countries involved have a backlog of AZ supplies, and many are already facing electorates unhappy about a slow roll-out, so I would be a bit surprised if there is anything "political" about this other than posterior-covering.
The last thing anyone needs is a willy-waving "we are faster and better than you" approach from either side.
I think it's a reasonable response, if there is a genuine concern or uncertainty. They can hardly wait a year and then say "we suspected that ages ago".
But- considering millions and millions of people have been vaccinated in a very short space of time, it would be more surprising if there were no "unfortunate timings", where someone dies shortly after, but would have anyway.
Or, as my mum said- maybe people are getting blood clots, because they have been off work and sat watching netflix for a year... which I hadn't considered...
But- considering millions and millions of people have been vaccinated in a very short space of time, it would be more surprising if there were no "unfortunate timings", where someone dies shortly after, but would have anyway.
Or, as my mum said- maybe people are getting blood clots, because they have been off work and sat watching netflix for a year... which I hadn't considered...
But more people are not getting thromboses! Its a mess up between "ordinary" thromboses, which are not increasing, and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis which is rare, which does seem to be showing a small increase, but is already known to be associated with the Covid infection itself. NOT with the vaccination, but with the illness. http://
I think the fact that so many people have been vaccinated in the Uk with both Pfizer and AZ with a ZERO increase in thromboses is pretty solid evidence. Its the inverse of the excess deaths argument! About CVST I agree its less easy to be certain because of itself its very rare...its still very rare with no evidence of increase but if its a rare thing, then the "where are the cases?" evidence is less easy to amass.
