Why Is It So Difficult To Comprehend?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57066275
you lob a penny banger over the wall and the neighbour flattens your house! It always happens yet they never learn.

[Sunk]

The UK took control of Palestine in 1918 when we beat Turkey in the first world war. For centuries before it was part of the Ottoman Empire.
Our rule in Palestine was greatly hampered by Jewish terrorism, to the extent we were eager to get out.
The US were keen to find a solution to the Jewish problem (all the Jews displaced by WWII). So the Palestinians were booted off their land so that the State of Israel could be created. It has not been a good solution.

[Khandro]

//Religion, religion, religion .......... wars, wars, wars, how can these people on both sides, believe in a 'God//

It isn't about religion, almost no wars are, or ever have been since the crusades, as always it's about territory.
& God has nothing at all to do with it .

[naomi24]

Sunk, that’s about right.

AH, //you get adults who have grown up hearing daily about the injustices visited on their ancestors by the people in the region next door.//

This isn’t about stories and it isn’t ‘the region next door’. These people are living the reality.

Khandro, fundamentally it is about religion. That's why the people one religion take precedence over those of another.

[Peter Pedant]

// you lob a penny banger over the wall and the neighbour flattens your house! It always happens yet they never learn.//

I dont want to get into this - - I thought you were referring to the flattening of the Warsaw Ghetto, 1943 or the Sebrenica genocide 1995 ( or Armenia pacification 1915) - or heynau doing his stuff in Hungary 1843

and not contemporary. I'm out
and hey yeah, over 200y it looks as tho they never learn. foo

[Peter Pedant]

I'm back!
did someone say well done sunk
no - you're sunk, sunk - forgotten Balfour Declaration - homeland for Jews 1917.

that is sortta like winning the pacific war wivvart hiroshima
or beating napoleon wivvart Waterloo - - washing away the memory of waterloo - er flushing it darn da toilet of history...

Zair is only one lesson in History - an zat eez: there are no lessons in history ( some Froggo )

[naomi24]

Emmie, //arn't they similar in their views on their religion//

Sorry, I meant to answer this earlier but was waylaid. Yes, they are similar but ultra-Orthodox Jews make no exceptions to Jewish law. For example they won’t work on the Sabbath, and in saying they won’t work, I mean they do absolutely nothing - not even flicking a light switch - and if you’re unfortunate enough to check into a hotel in Israel staffed by those who obey the rules rigidly, you can look forward to a cold unappetising breakfast on the Sabbath that was laid out the day before - and an uncleaned room, an unmade bed and no fresh towels until Sabbath is over. Additionally, ultra-Orthodox men won’t speak to unrelated women. Fly El Al and you will see their children asking female cabin crew for whatever their fathers want. There is one area of Jerusalem in particular where if you walk holding hands with your partner you’re likely to find stones flying in your direction in disapproval of your immodesty. It’s a strange place, inhabited by a mixture of cultures of often alien people, few of whom have time for those outside their own.

[emmie]

not a place i would go then.

[naomi24]

It's .. erm .... different. :o)

[emmie]

different i can see that, the first holiday i took back in the 70's was to Tangier, now that was different... women in burkhas, with hijab, niqab, and men walking about holding hands.... took me a while to acclimatise.

[Khandro]

n. and what's more, last week’s tragic and deadly stampede at an Orthodox Jewish religious festival in Israel did not start because someone heard a coin drop, so let’s end that anti-Semitic slander right now. :0)

[theshedman]

emmie, 12% of them is still quite a large number. There are faults on boths sides there always has been. The Palestinians have thrown stuff over the wall for many years and do not usually cause much damage. The Israelis on the other hand don't often miss their targets. I worked for a while for the peace keeping force in the Sinai and often the Palestinians would throw bricks at our cars.

[naomi24]

A thankless and unenviable task in a bleak place, shedman.

By the way, the Jews are awaiting the first coming of their messiah. Unlike Christians they don’t believe Jesus was the one.

[theshedman]

naomi, found most of Israel fine even walking around the old city of Jerusalem. Mostly around the area to go into the Sinai and Gaza area that wasn't so nice. Mount Masada was also good to walk around but very hot.

[Bobbisox1]

I did too Shed, The zealots were down at the wailing wall in black coats and large brimmed hats in temps of 100 degrees, I had to wear a long calf length dress, have my shoulders and head covered, they sat on small stools rocking back and forwards all day , but in general, the Israeli people were nice approachable people

[naomi24]

Did you have a dip is the Dead Sea when you went to Masada, shedman?

Bobbi, did you go on a guided tour?

[theshedman]

Would have liked to naomi but didn't have time. Drove from Jerusalem to Masada then I had to drive back to the Sinai. I found most Israelis fine except the ones in Black most of them were quite ignorant.

[naomi24]

Oh that’s a shame. It’s quite an experience.

[Bobbisox1]

Yes we did Naomi, in the days when you could go from Cyrus to either Egypt of Israel , I had no desire to go to Egypt ,we took a ferry from Larnica to Haifa then from their we went to Bethlehem and Jerusalem, Bethlehem Is now in the Palestinian sector and is the filthiest place I've ever been to

[Bobbisox1]

There’s a large orthodox Jewish population where we live , they keep themselves to themselves

[Jackdaw33]

I believe the largest rabbinical orthodox college is in Gateshead. There are a lot of orthodox around Coatsworth Road.