Nothing On Israel It Seems

[DTCwordfan]

Are the Israelis justified taking out buildings when Hamas are using them to hide their missiles and even their intelligence (in the press building). To be fair on the latter, they gave warning to all to get out before they flattened the place. Isn't it cynical of Hamas to be stuffing the missiles into the cellars with ordinary residents living above them.

What's the way out as to breaking the impasse?

[Untitled]

But she wouldn't be "annihilated"... horrific as Hamas attacks are, most of them are stopped by the missile defences and the ones that do get through are certainly not deterred by Israeli counterstrikes - if they were then this wouldn't be happening... Mossad has done far more to counter Hamas than these bloodthirsty awful counterstrikes have ever done...

You insist I am wrong... yet you cannot seem to explain why.

[naomi24]

I’ve told you why I think you’re wrong.

[Untitled]

indeed... you insist that I'm wrong because israel isn't currently doing what I suggest, so it must be wrong. But israeli politicians are just like politicians everywhere - self-serving people who simply cannot tolerate "looking weak", even if it means doing things that are pointless or self-sabotaging.

[Untitled]

Every missile that Hamas sends (if it hits) guarantees a massive response from Israel, which guarantees more new recruits for Hamas to carry out their war for them while the leaders relax in Turkish luxury.

The only people this policy benefits is Hamas... it is not good for Israel and certainly not for Palestinians... I have yet to see a good reason why it should be continued.

[Togo]

Hamas are the proxy organisation for Iran. If Iran made the attacks openly then Israel could flatten the midden. They know that, so hide behind the Palestinian people. They cause them more harm than Israel does. Indeed the only place that Palestinians could obtain a covid jab was in Israel. Perhaps Israel should take out the Iranians instead. The rockets from Hamas will stop. Hamas did more damage to the local economy with the explosion in the storage facilities(for the compounds to make the explosives for the rockets) than Israel has in all the conflicts. Time to sort the Iranians out before they are building nuclear weapons. There is the first, full scale nuclear war crucible. Nutters with atomics will make this look like a fireworks display. First time anyone has ever advocated letting an attacker carry on attacking you in the belief that it will persuade him to stop. Sound more like a Primary School lesson. Put your hand up and tell Miss if someone hits you children, and we will make them stand in the corner.

[naomi24]

That’s what you think - I get that. All I can add is that this is about far more than politics which is something I don’t believe you understand. I’ve no idea what more you expect me to say.

[naomi24]

* that to untitled,

[Untitled]

If Hamas are so devout then why do their leaders live in the lap of luxury and send their children to posh schools? Why don't they get involved themselves? Why do they smuggle drugs?

Whatever their stated religious goals are their priority is obviously to enjoy their war and let other people do the dying...

[naomi24]

I do know that Hamas headquarters is in Gaza but you seem to know all about it so why ask me?

[Sunk]

// ...for Israel let herself be annihilated would be madness... //

The present conflict started on 15th April. A small (dumb) rocket fired from the Gaza Strip struck an empty field. It cause no damage, no one was killed or injured.

In response, Israel launched a major offensive, killing hundreds of people, injuring thousands, and inflicting $billions in damage.

The retaliation was not proportional. Israel is vastly more armed thanks to the US and UK. Israel has the best Missile defence system in the world. A Palestinian rocket is no threat to anyone, it merely a gesture of defiance.

Netanyahu has many problems. A general election (the fourth in 2 years) ending is stalemate. A corruption trial (on 5 charges) just proceeding. Netanyahu uses Palestinian deaths as as electioneering tactic, and the war as masking attention away from his trial for fraud and corruption.

[naomi24]

Sunk, according to information I’ve just read Israel
responded to the 36 rockets fired a few days later - not as you say to one fired on 15 April. I can’t post a link from my phone but I’m sure you won’t mind. You never were keen on posting links yourself.

[Sunk]

Naomi,
You are wrong.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-strikes-hamas-targets-after-gaza-rocket-fire

16th April. A few hours after a rocket hit a barren field...

// An Israel Defense Forces statement said fighter jets and other aircraft hit a number of sites linked to Hamas, the Islamist terror organization that rules Gaza. The targets included an armaments production facility, a tunnel for smuggling weaponry and a Hamas military post, according to the IDF. //

[Atheist]

Naomi, whenever you make what might be a good point, you seem to spoil it with a bit of a needle twist at then end. It's a pity.

[Sunk]

// Sunk, You never were keen on posting links yourself. //

Really. I have just looked at my profile, and I am good at including links.

// Naomi, you seem to spoil it with a bit of a needle twist at then end. //

Yep.

[DTCwordfan]

I come back to the basics that Israel will 'encourage' the Hamas to fire at them as the Hamas only have limited resources. They'll drain them, move into Gaza and Palestine, take out the smuggling routes and then 'negotiate' from a position of immense strength....the UN, the States will not be able to stop them taking this course. And yes, Benji Netanhayu emerges smelling of roses.....

The relevant question in all of this is if Israel wants to break this cycle of extreme poverty in Gaza, outright hatred of them, then will they allow for economic investment - or will this be a cover for the Iranians et 'extreme' groups to pounce and invest in even more catastrophic weaponry for the future.

As to Hamas, they don't give a toss about their citizens, it's all fodder for the propagandists...not only locally but for extremists here and elsewhere - and for fuelling those as-ho-es in St Johns Wood etc.

[naomi24]

Thanks for the link Sunk. Had you bothered to post it in the first place I wouldn’t have sought to verify your post.

Atheist, no needle twist. Sunk is renowned for failing to post links especially when his claims are questionable. Do you want to join the discussion or did you just pop in to have a dig at me?

[DTCwordfan]

And naive uneducated ijiuts like Jeremy Corbyn and his disgraceful mob.

[Peter Pedant]

// Hamas are the proxy organisation for Iran. If Iran made the attacks openly then Israel could flatten the midden.//

that is absolute crap - even if they are allies on the lines of my enemy's enemy is my friend

Have a looky at the film Mosul -
The arabs are civil warring in and around Mosul and our hero comes across a Persian secret cell ( wiv lotsa arms)
A. What are you doing here , interfering ?
P We have an interest here.
A no you dont, and you're not wanted
P well we have ruled you for 2 500 y and have every intention of continuing .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi
Here we have an Iranian agent who rose almost to be prime minister of Iraq. He was unwise to mail his puppet master in Iran thus "The Americans say they are reading these codes but I dont think it can be true!" - - oops - it was

[Peter Pedant]

// Thanks for the link Sunk. Had you bothered to post it in the first place I wouldn’t have sought to verify your post.//

boolloox, isnt it sunk?

[Togo]

"The rockets we use to pound Tel Aviv, our weapons, and our food are provided by Iran."

Palestinian Islamic Jihad Official Ramez Al-Halabi on Al-Ahd TV (Iraq) on May 7, 2021.

https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinian-isalmic-jihad-official-ramez-halabi-rockets-use-strike-tlv-qasem-soleimani-iran-support