Harry And Meghan -V- The Bbc

[naomi24]

//Buckingham Palace has become embroiled in a row over whether the Queen was consulted over the naming of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s daughter.//

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/09/harry-and-meghan-push-back-at-claim-queen-not-consulted-on-lilibet-name

Reading through this report it appears that Harry told the queen of their intention to name their daughter Lilibet, but contrary to their claim they didn’t actually seek her permission.

Goodness knows where all this controversy with those two will end, but the plot thickens.

[pixie374]

I might if I did, naomi. Where else have they spoken for themselves about their private lives- without it going through the Press?

[naomi24]

If you're not interested I'd be wasting my time telling you.

[pixie374]

Lol. There we are then :-)

[Peter Pedant]

it is like truth on AB - a moveable feast! - ter daah - sm. f.

[andy-hughes]

Someone is not telling the truth it seems.

Either Harry and Meghan are lying - saying that they did advise the Queen about their intention, and had she not been supportive, they would not have gone ahead,

or

A 'Palace source' is lying, confirming that the Queen was not consulted.

The immediate reaction of most people is probably - who cares?

But it seems as though the couple may be willing to resort to law to defend their position, which does make it serious, since defence of a court case against the BBC will be funded by the licence payer.

The difficulty i can see is ensuring that the 'Palace source' is willing to rock up at court (the legal one that is!) and swear their version of the truth.

The Queen of course can not be called on to give evidence, and will not comment directly, so it remains to be seen where, if anywhere, this goes.

What does seem clear is that Harry and Meghan's litigious approach to life is not only receeding with the birth of their second child, but seems to be accelerating at a pace, whereby any and all perceived slights are being pursued vigourously and expensively.

I wonder what they think they will gain from this approach?

It seems Harry is stlll set on his futile belief that if he explains himself to enough people in the media for long enough, the British people will forgive and love him again.

Such breatless naivity in a man of his age is a sad thing to see.

[burlyshirley]

My first thought when I heard about this name was 'the cheek of Harry', he has castigated his Dad for his own upbringing and his Gran for his Dad's upbringing and yet he uses a private family name for his own child - there are thousands of names they could have picked, even just Lily on it's own, but no, they had to make a point, the point being that they can do exactly what they like !! I haven't changed my opinion.

[dannyk13]

AH //It seems Harry is stlll set on his futile belief that if he explains himself//
Have you suddenly become a mind reader?

[pixie374]

Hold on, Andy... they are willing to resort to law for libel. Not because of the name.
It seems, the name was at least approved unofficially, but "officially" is not so clear.
Hopefully somebody can confirm or otherwise... but I believe that with the Queen's direct descendants, she does need to officially approve a name?

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH //It seems Harry is stlll set on his futile belief that if he explains himself//
Have you suddenly become a mind reader? //

No, but I don't need to be a mind reader to understand Harry's approach - it's telegraphed to even the most basic student of human nature.

Every time he speaks to anyone about anything, his fervent desire to be heard and understood radiates out of him like heat from a volcano.

What he fails to grasp is that his approach is totally counter-productive.

His perception of himself as misunderstood and hard-done-to is never going to sit with an audience of people who earn less in a year than he spends on any of his support staff in a month.

Either he is being well advised and not listening, or badly advised and listening too well - the end result is the same.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Hold on, Andy... they are willing to resort to law for libel. Not because of the name. //

Apoligies, I was aware that this will be the legal recourse, I didn't make it clear in my answer.

[pixie374]

No worries. They are claiming the press is lying. That's a different issue though, to the issue of the name. Entirely separate.

[pixie374]

It's only a shame that the media aren't already obliged to tell the truth. They can say anything they like- providing it isn't both a direct lie AND somebody bothers to sue them.

[naomi24]

No, pixie. There you are. You haven’t been paying attention.

I think they informed the Queen rather than ‘consulted’ her. There’s a big difference. If the queen had agreed with their choice there’s no reason for the palace to withhold that information. To immediately issue a statement saying how delighted the queen is would have in effect been valuable in building bridges. It wouldn’t surprise me though if eventually the queen will go along with it. That’s what gracious people do in embarrassing situations.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // They are claiming the press is lying. That's a different issue though, to the issue of the name. Entirely separate. //

Indeed it is.

My view on this is the same as I try to adopt in my own life when conflict arises -

Do I have a clear result in mind before I embark on any action?

If so, does my action afford me a more than reasonable chance of success?

If those two boxes are not ticked - and I think in this case for the couple, neither of them are - then I would not go any further.

[pixie374]

That's exactly what I said, naomi. Please pay attention:-)

[pixie374]

Maybe it's the principle, Andy? People don't like being lied about in public. Particularly, when it is presented as "News".

[naomi24]

I am paying attention pixie. You said you’ve seen only one interview with them. I don’t know how many ways there are if saying you’ve missed something - but you have.

[pixie374]

I'm not, zacs. Naomi literally admitted on a thread today, that it's fashionable to look for something to complain about.
Naomi, as you have no wish to answer my question on where to find all that information- saying I have "missed it", is pointless.

[pixie374]

But thanks, zacs lol.