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What Has Been Achieved
After 20 years in Afghanistan , the US has pulled out .
The Taliban has retaken large swathes of the country
What has been achieved ?
The Taliban has retaken large swathes of the country
What has been achieved ?
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//And talking seems to have worked out okayish,//
Depends what you mean by "okayish." If you are willing to accept that the only way to stop terrorists murdering and maiming people is to let them run the country then I suppose you're right. Brexit has not opened old wounds. All Brexit has done is to scratch at the wounds that were always there. The Unionists want NI to remain part of the UK; the Republicans don't. The "Good Friday Agreement" did nothing to end that. What Brexit did was to see NI treated differently to the GB and that was the fault of the person who signed the agreement which included the NI Protocol. However, we digress.
Depends what you mean by "okayish." If you are willing to accept that the only way to stop terrorists murdering and maiming people is to let them run the country then I suppose you're right. Brexit has not opened old wounds. All Brexit has done is to scratch at the wounds that were always there. The Unionists want NI to remain part of the UK; the Republicans don't. The "Good Friday Agreement" did nothing to end that. What Brexit did was to see NI treated differently to the GB and that was the fault of the person who signed the agreement which included the NI Protocol. However, we digress.
It's much better to live with the current compromise however nasty the other parties are New Judge... the results speak for themselves:
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// Nobody's bombed Harrods for decades now.// - plan must be working then !
what has been achieved? - Taliban victory - as the T said. America is creeping away - you dont do that when you have won. The importance? Huge area for opium poppies
oh whilst I am here
extract from Times obit of Rumsfeld (*)
Bush was finally forced to dismiss Rumsfeld. By then he had become a deeply unpopular and largely discredited figure. Rumsfeld was a principal architect of the of the calamitous US invasion that plunged Iraq into a civil war that it has yet to recover from, that cost trillions of dollars and that caused the deaths of 4500 US soldier and it is thought hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
er and afghanistan
(*) gives you some idea even if the av ABer doesnt know who Rumsfeld was and the evil he got up to - - - ( torture: they told us we could do it) obviously a man to have around.
// Nobody's bombed Harrods for decades now.// - plan must be working then !
what has been achieved? - Taliban victory - as the T said. America is creeping away - you dont do that when you have won. The importance? Huge area for opium poppies
oh whilst I am here
extract from Times obit of Rumsfeld (*)
Bush was finally forced to dismiss Rumsfeld. By then he had become a deeply unpopular and largely discredited figure. Rumsfeld was a principal architect of the of the calamitous US invasion that plunged Iraq into a civil war that it has yet to recover from, that cost trillions of dollars and that caused the deaths of 4500 US soldier and it is thought hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
er and afghanistan
(*) gives you some idea even if the av ABer doesnt know who Rumsfeld was and the evil he got up to - - - ( torture: they told us we could do it) obviously a man to have around.
asa fantasy - - - altho Lennon's words are coy rubbish and werent they written when the Vietnamese were giving America a thrashing?
one could think of the trillions (*) spent in Viet and then in Iraq and Afghanistan and think - what if they had been spend improving either american infrastructure or the three name nations - what then?
and then come back down to earth by thinking what absolute shoop-holes French Indochine ( Viet, Cambodia and Laos,) have become . throw in Thailand and Myanmar
and consider liberation in Mali Chad and Centre-Afrique Niger, Burkina Faso ( old upper volta) - you liberate the town by marching in and asking who wants to join us Jihadis and have fun?
and you shoot the men who say no...
one could think of the trillions (*) spent in Viet and then in Iraq and Afghanistan and think - what if they had been spend improving either american infrastructure or the three name nations - what then?
and then come back down to earth by thinking what absolute shoop-holes French Indochine ( Viet, Cambodia and Laos,) have become . throw in Thailand and Myanmar
and consider liberation in Mali Chad and Centre-Afrique Niger, Burkina Faso ( old upper volta) - you liberate the town by marching in and asking who wants to join us Jihadis and have fun?
and you shoot the men who say no...
What has it achieved?
20 years is about a generation. I think for many people who've lived in Afghanistan for the last 20 years, bad as it has been, they're probably happier we were there than we weren't. They've had more chance to see what their world could be like. They have more of an idea of what's possible. They're more likely to overthrow a totalitarian regime, faster, than if we hadn't been there.
20 years is about a generation. I think for many people who've lived in Afghanistan for the last 20 years, bad as it has been, they're probably happier we were there than we weren't. They've had more chance to see what their world could be like. They have more of an idea of what's possible. They're more likely to overthrow a totalitarian regime, faster, than if we hadn't been there.
// They're more likely to overthrow a totalitarian regime, faster, than if we hadn't been there.//
um - no - ish - - werent the Russians there for twenty years before the greatest power in the w world ? - - - Russia's vietnam
The puppet head of state scored a first in - - - trying to commit suicide. Failed
the russian bear crept back to its cave and the Americans jostled in and said -" Let US have a go !"
um - no - ish - - werent the Russians there for twenty years before the greatest power in the w world ? - - - Russia's vietnam
The puppet head of state scored a first in - - - trying to commit suicide. Failed
the russian bear crept back to its cave and the Americans jostled in and said -" Let US have a go !"
New Judge - // Depends what you mean by "okayish." If you are willing to accept that the only way to stop terrorists murdering and maiming people is to let them run the country then I suppose you're right. //
Bit it is their country NJ.
We may not agree with their ideology, or their methods, but does that actually give us the right to force our ideas of how things should be, with military intervention?
I think the concept of freedom is the very bedrock of humanity, but then I would, I grew up here.
For other people, and the Afghans are a prime example, the structure given to them by the Taliban may be what they are actually comfortable with - and again, is it for us to tell them that they are wrong?
Bit it is their country NJ.
We may not agree with their ideology, or their methods, but does that actually give us the right to force our ideas of how things should be, with military intervention?
I think the concept of freedom is the very bedrock of humanity, but then I would, I grew up here.
For other people, and the Afghans are a prime example, the structure given to them by the Taliban may be what they are actually comfortable with - and again, is it for us to tell them that they are wrong?
Davebro - morally not, but the question is, how right is it for the West to intervene, if at all, and if so, how much?
It is abundantly clear that force had failed, dialogue is the answer, but that will be seriously hard to set up.
The Taliban hate the West with a deep inherited passion, and so far, all the West has done is reinforce that hatred.
The West has to have a different approach.
It is abundantly clear that force had failed, dialogue is the answer, but that will be seriously hard to set up.
The Taliban hate the West with a deep inherited passion, and so far, all the West has done is reinforce that hatred.
The West has to have a different approach.
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