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This coercion is simply unacceptable (And is it even legal in the Human rights arena?), the man has completely and utterly lost the plot and needs to go now.
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Compulsory medical treatment (which includes vaccination) is illegal in the UK. With that in mind it seems reasonable to believe that agreeing to medical treatment (including vaccination) is a personal choice. But now we have the prospect of something which is a personal choice being mandatory in order to enter a night club. Leaving aside the fact that the virus will have ten weeks to do its stuff in night clubs before the law kicks in, this smacks of compulsory vaccination in all but name.
We have a situation now where face coverings are no longer compulsory but in some places they are and will soon have a situation where vaccination is not compulsory but in some places it will be. This country is fast disappearing up its own backside, chased by contrary legislation.
We have a situation now where face coverings are no longer compulsory but in some places they are and will soon have a situation where vaccination is not compulsory but in some places it will be. This country is fast disappearing up its own backside, chased by contrary legislation.
//Tiresome drivel from the op//
Ah, another who just adds a post to attack another ABer and adds absolutely nothing to the thread. If you dont like the thread just ignore it, why be rude just because you are unable to formulate a decent reply?
And if you dont like my threads why not raise a few yourself, see if you like being attacked for trying to keep the site alive. Not exactly prolific in that arena are you?
Ah, another who just adds a post to attack another ABer and adds absolutely nothing to the thread. If you dont like the thread just ignore it, why be rude just because you are unable to formulate a decent reply?
And if you dont like my threads why not raise a few yourself, see if you like being attacked for trying to keep the site alive. Not exactly prolific in that arena are you?
As I said earlier the timing is problematic to say the least.
However much as I don’t care for the PM and his hapless minions I do try to be fair if I can and I think there’s a lot of unfair criticism knocking around.
We wanted “freedom”: we have it in that the laws have gone. That’s a Good Thing IMO.
But we also want caution - the majority are still in favour of restrictions. It’s just that now we’re getting the chance to be responsible again. So yes there are creases and anomalies but I fail to see why that seems to be so confusing for people.
Where I despair of Johnson is his habit of cheerily airbrushing over bad situations: silking over the sow’s ear that is test and trace, saying we aren’t ever going into reverse, when we may well have to (tho fingers crossed although the nightclub thing is actually a reversal of sorts)
And this applies to other things too
However much as I don’t care for the PM and his hapless minions I do try to be fair if I can and I think there’s a lot of unfair criticism knocking around.
We wanted “freedom”: we have it in that the laws have gone. That’s a Good Thing IMO.
But we also want caution - the majority are still in favour of restrictions. It’s just that now we’re getting the chance to be responsible again. So yes there are creases and anomalies but I fail to see why that seems to be so confusing for people.
Where I despair of Johnson is his habit of cheerily airbrushing over bad situations: silking over the sow’s ear that is test and trace, saying we aren’t ever going into reverse, when we may well have to (tho fingers crossed although the nightclub thing is actually a reversal of sorts)
And this applies to other things too
// ... agreeing to medical treatment (including vaccination) is a personal choice. But now we have the prospect of something which is a personal choice being mandatory in order to enter a night club. //
I confess I don't see a problem with this. Businesses are free to set rules about who they let in, or not, as long as they aren't discriminating against protected characteristics. If that includes barring people who have made a particular choice -- well, they are free to make the other choice, or they are free to accept the consequences of the choice they make.
I confess I don't see a problem with this. Businesses are free to set rules about who they let in, or not, as long as they aren't discriminating against protected characteristics. If that includes barring people who have made a particular choice -- well, they are free to make the other choice, or they are free to accept the consequences of the choice they make.
//Businesses are free to set rules about who they let in,...//
Indeed they are Jim. Except in the case of night clubs where I believe it will be illegal after September for them to allow unvaccinated guests in (something with which I understand the "night industry" is most unhappy). It's quite true that nobody has to attend a night club. But if they want to they are compelled to have medical treatment.
The fanfare for July 19th was that it would be a move from compulsion to personal choice to take or not to take precautions. That has proved false. The choices, instead of being made by government edict, are now made by local mayors, transport organisations, Tesco's and Marks & Spencer. Not quite what most of the public had in mind when they were told it would be their personal choice, I suspect.
Indeed they are Jim. Except in the case of night clubs where I believe it will be illegal after September for them to allow unvaccinated guests in (something with which I understand the "night industry" is most unhappy). It's quite true that nobody has to attend a night club. But if they want to they are compelled to have medical treatment.
The fanfare for July 19th was that it would be a move from compulsion to personal choice to take or not to take precautions. That has proved false. The choices, instead of being made by government edict, are now made by local mayors, transport organisations, Tesco's and Marks & Spencer. Not quite what most of the public had in mind when they were told it would be their personal choice, I suspect.
judge: "But now we have the prospect of something which is a personal choice being mandatory in order to enter a night club. Leaving aside the fact that the virus will have ten weeks to do its stuff in night clubs before the law kicks in, this smacks of compulsory vaccination in all but name. " - Ten weeks is to give them time to get jabbed. Nothing is compulsory, you need to qualify to do all sorts of things, if you want to go to a club then you need to demonstrate you've been vaccinated. Damn good too, we've spent long enough humouring the THB already, time to start excluding them. Let them all start a commune out in the sticks if they want.
curiously, although clubbers are to be checked out, it seems people arriving from green and amber countries are not.
///A change that came into effect on Monday means Border Force officers no longer have to verify whether new arrivals have received a negative Covid test, have booked a test within coming days or have a passenger locator form showing an address where they will isolate if necessary///
This seems odd. Do they think the virus can't travel? Do they think Brits should be checked out and foreigners not?
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///A change that came into effect on Monday means Border Force officers no longer have to verify whether new arrivals have received a negative Covid test, have booked a test within coming days or have a passenger locator form showing an address where they will isolate if necessary///
This seems odd. Do they think the virus can't travel? Do they think Brits should be checked out and foreigners not?
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