Toomy Whatsisname...

[Atheist]

Sorry I haven't got a link. I heard on the radio and BBC telly that TR has been judged on the wrong side in a court case against him for falsely accusing a teenager (who was filmed being beaten by school 'chums') of attacking young women, and that he has to pay £100,000 penalty, plus legal costs. I'm surprised that TUS haven't been on here defending him. He seems to be pleading bankruptcy and saying that he's had a bad year. Are there many here who feel sorry for him?

[fraser]

Jimmy Saville wasn't charged because Keir starmer stopped charges being brought against him! Tommy Robinson is not a racist read his book , the edl was black and white unite against radical islam the left always use the word racist when they can't win.

[Mamyalynne]

Check some of your facts Fraser.

https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

[Mozz71]

Fraser, is that the same EDL who had members imprisoned for planning to bomb mosques? You knpw, the EDL which had links to the well known Norwegian terrorist, lunatic and mass murderer Anders Breivik?

That one?

Well, good to know that isn't a racist group.

[gness]

Fraser. Tommy Robinson is a racist. I would be very wary of anyone who thinks otherwise.

[Peter Pedant]

Fraz you are allowed to say what you want
most of us believe Tommy is a racist ....

[andy-hughes]

fraser - // Tommy Robinson is not a racist ... //

I think you'll find his behaviour consistently and regularly underlines the fact that he definitely is.

Obviously he is not going to come out and admit it, in print or in person, even 'Tommy Robinson' is not that stupid!!

[andy-hughes]

It's all gone quiet ...

[douglas9401]

The authorities are still investigating the latest derailment, initial reports suggest it's due to a points failure

[fraser]

Andy Hughes have you read the book or relying what the mass media tell you to think being a patriot doesn't make you a racist!

[Mozz71]

Fraser- //Andy Hughes have you read the book or relying what the mass media tell you to think being a patriot doesn't make you a racist!//

Being a racist isn't patriotic either. If you really believe he does what he does for Harry, England and St George, you're deluded.

[naomi24]

The charge of ‘racism’ is slung around with impunity simply because it’s used as a tool to silence what should be frank dialogue. Few dare raise the subject for fear of being deemed racist and castigated. What a disingenuous roundabout this world is on.

I don’t care if people are black, white, green, or purple with yellow spots, but I do have issues with the foibles of culture - as, I believe, does Tommy Robinson.

[andy-hughes]

Fraser - I haven't read the book, I was busy putting my socks in colour order that day, and I don't 'rely' on the media to tell me anything.

[Mozz71]

I'm glad to hear that Naomi, and I expect nothing less from you. Unfortunately Mr Robinson's actions have long been that of an individual far less colour blind than you. As I said previously, this particular case is nasty in the extreme, with Robinson trying to protect schoolyard bullies because their victim was a Muslim. It was disgusting behaviour, and definitely one based on his prejudiced view point.

[david small]

To criticize a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous, but to criticize their religion, that is a right, that is a freedom.  The freedom to criticize ideas, any ideas - even if they are sincerely held beliefs - is one of the fundamental freedoms of society."
Rowan Atkinson.

[andy-hughes]

David - Mr Atkinson is obviously correct, criticising someone for their ethnicity is unacceptable, since it is not a matter of choice, criticising their religion is acceptable, because it is a matter of choice.

However, linking a perverted few to an entire denomination because said few nominally belong to that denomination, and then linking the entire denomination to the behaviour of the few - that is manifestly unacceptable.

And 'Tommy Robinson' has made a lucrative career out of doing exactly that.

[naomi24]

Mozz, //Mr Robinson's actions have long been that of an individual far less colour blind than you.//

If Tommy Robinson had a problem with colour he would attack people of cultures other than Islam. ‘Islam’ is not a race but the Islamic culture is what I believe Tommy Robinson abhors - and people from that culture come from all corners of the globe and in all colours. I’m pretty sure he would regard a white Muslim in exactly the same way as he regards a black Muslim. In my opinion it isn’t about colour, but culture.

[ichkeria]

"To criticize a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous, but to criticize their religion, that is a right, that is a freedom"

You intentionally or otherwise left out "a person for" between "criticize and their" above. Re-instate that and there is no difference.
Robinson plainly is driven by racism not a sense of morals, as anyone who say his (deleted) abusive tweets will know only too well.
Man of violence, designer thug, whatever.

[dannyk13]

Naomi//n my opinion it isn’t about colour, but culture.//
I end to agree with you but it still leaves Tommy Robinson guilty of hate crimes.
//Something is a racist or religious hate incident if the victim or anyone else thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race or religion.//

[naomi24]

Danny, To deem anything a hate crime simply because someone ‘thinks’ it is, is an example of ‘new think’, and is highly dangerous in my opinion. However, I do agree that Tommy Robinson has wrongly targeted some people. As I said before, the man is a hot head and a fool to himself.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // However, I do agree that Tommy Robinson has wrongly targeted some people. As I said before, the man is a hot head and a fool to himself. //

Another spectacularly bland assessment of 'Robinson' - but it does tie in with your baffling determination to defend him, even allowing for the horrible things he has done, and the seriously horrible person he is.