Toomy Whatsisname...

[Atheist]

Sorry I haven't got a link. I heard on the radio and BBC telly that TR has been judged on the wrong side in a court case against him for falsely accusing a teenager (who was filmed being beaten by school 'chums') of attacking young women, and that he has to pay £100,000 penalty, plus legal costs. I'm surprised that TUS haven't been on here defending him. He seems to be pleading bankruptcy and saying that he's had a bad year. Are there many here who feel sorry for him?

[Mozz71]

I realise it's an unanswerable question, so as such I'm asking it to make a point more than anything else, but I wonder if Mr Robinson would've been so proactive had he discovered the presence of white, non-Muslim grooming gangs? That's not belittling what he's done to help bring those animals to justice, it's just a thought.

[Gromit]

// That's not belittling what he's done to help bring those animals to justice //

Tommy Robinson hasn’t done anything to bring grooming gangs to justice. His MO is to latch onto a case once the offenders have been investigated, charged and are on trial. He then stalks the court building filming as part of his money earning amateur ‘journalism’.

[Peter Pedant]

// / That's not belittling what he's done to help bring those animals to justice //

tarmy as great social reformer
er - - - no I dont think so

[Mozz71]

Gromit, I've no real intention of defending him, but the one thing he has done is bring these gangs to the public attention. Of course, you are right that in his determination to harass and publicly shame outside the law courts, he has at times harmed the judicial process. It's almost as if adding to his own infamy is more important to him than getting wrongdoers locked up.

[Peter Pedant]

er yeah
but

more important to him than getting wrongdoers locked up.

filming a court case when you have been told not to is not getting people locked up - it is interfering

[naomi24]

Mozz, Had the grooming gangs been white Muslims I don’t imagine he would have regarded them any differently.

AH, thankfully I don’t possess your capacity to hate.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH, thankfully I don’t possess your capacity to hate. //

I have no idea what are talking about.

If I did hate anyone, I would save such an emotion for someone or something worthy of it.

'Tommy Robinson' is nowhere near important enough for that.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Mozz, Had the grooming gangs been white Muslims I don’t imagine he would have regarded them any differently. //

I know you think this man is worth the effort of defending, but let's stick within the bounds of reality shall we.

[andy-hughes]

PP - // er yeah
but

more important to him than getting wrongdoers locked up.

filming a court case when you have been told not to is not getting people locked up - it is interfering //

It is - to the point where the validity of the court case was jepardised - which is the point Mozz is making.

[naomi24]

AH, you KNOW differently? How?

[Mozz71]

Naomi, you clearly have more faith in Robinson's humanity than I do. I can't imagine he would've put so much time and effort into investigating anyone who didn't trigger his own prejudices.

Still, as I said, it's all speculation.

[Mozz71]

Peter, I think you missed the point I was making there.

[Mozz71]

Sorry Naomi, I misread your reply to me. I mean non-Muslim, not white Muslims.

[naomi24]

Mozz, my ‘faith’ isn’t the issue. I’ve already explained why I think this is about culture rather than colour.

[Mozz71]

Naomi, I never mentioned colour. I said "non-Muslim grooming gang".

[Mozz71]

Apologies, I did say white. I need to reread my own posts before commenting, clearly.

[naomi24]

Mozz 16.50. Sorry, my mistake. I misread your previous post.

If these were gangs of non-Muslim I don’t believe Tommy Robinson would have pursued them - but then the police and the authorities would have so weveoukd be looking at an entirely different scenario. It’s all much more complex than it appears, not least the Muslim gangs’ reasons for doing what they do - and to my mind that’s the major influence on Tommy Robinson’s reaction.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // ... not least the Muslim gangs’ reasons for doing what they do - and to my mind that’s the major influence on Tommy Robinson’s reaction. //

I perceive the gangs' reasons for doing what they do to be nothing whatsoever to do with them being nominally Muslim - do you see something different?

[naomi24]

AH, your perception is at fault but I’m not getting into it with you again. We’ve been there and done that repeatedly.

[Mozz71]

I have to agree with Andy, the gangs aren't grooming and abusing girls because they're Muslim, they're animals because of their crimes, not because of their religion.

Their crimes are a parallel to those with have been unearthed caused by members of the Catholic Church. The religion wasn't to blame, the individuals were.