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Was It Folly For The Us And Uk To Withdraw From Afghanistan?
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Mozz71 I don't know Tora, I'm no military strategist. All I know is that if we pull out, we are partially responsible for every attrocity that happens there from now on.
Utter rubbish
We have done all we can and have lost too many good people there for zero return
Not our fault they have weak, corrupt and ineffective government with an army to match but then it seems to be standard for any Muslim country these days
Too many want to leave their home country and aim to get here instead of staying and doing their damndest to implement and bring about democracy
Utter rubbish
We have done all we can and have lost too many good people there for zero return
Not our fault they have weak, corrupt and ineffective government with an army to match but then it seems to be standard for any Muslim country these days
Too many want to leave their home country and aim to get here instead of staying and doing their damndest to implement and bring about democracy
I understand that generals push for conflict - it's their job, and they'd much rather be doing the real thing that fannying about with 'exercises'.
So they have their way, and their country of origin invades.
But as has been proven several times in this area of the world, and resolutely in Viet Nam within living memory- it's no use going in anywhere without a planned coherent exit strategy.
It's no use bowling in with the vague hope that if you throw enough military power at it, you will find things turn out alright - that's simply not logical, or reasonable.
But that is what the allies did - under the ludicrously nonsensical label 'the war on terror', the set about invading a country that has an in-place set-up resistance that has been through this before.
As I have said many times on threads like this, all the Taliban ever had to do was wait for the invaders go home. They could sit there as long as it took, because they are already home.
Now we have a country disimated by war, thousands of dead on both sides, millions of innocent civlians affected, and the 'war on terror' remains the nonsense it always was.
If we genuinly want to defeat Muslim terrorists who hate the West with a passion we cannot begin to dream of, maybe invading their homes and killing their loved ones was not the best way to go about it?
Terrorists are convinced that the West hates them - why do we give them continual and ample evidence that their perception is absolutely correct - thus providing a free and effective rectuitment campaign for their determination to terrorise us from now until Doomsday.
It was not thought out, there was no exit strategy, there was no actual intention clearly thought through - are we replacing a dictator / stopping the opium trade / or just having our 'war on terror'?
Whatever was thought, it was not thought through, and now we have the vaccum left behind.
Millions of Afghans have had the confusion of an invading force which has not helped them, and now they long for a structured leadership that understands them, and that is going to step in and concinve them that things will be alright now.
And they are there waiting.
They are called the Taliban ...
So they have their way, and their country of origin invades.
But as has been proven several times in this area of the world, and resolutely in Viet Nam within living memory- it's no use going in anywhere without a planned coherent exit strategy.
It's no use bowling in with the vague hope that if you throw enough military power at it, you will find things turn out alright - that's simply not logical, or reasonable.
But that is what the allies did - under the ludicrously nonsensical label 'the war on terror', the set about invading a country that has an in-place set-up resistance that has been through this before.
As I have said many times on threads like this, all the Taliban ever had to do was wait for the invaders go home. They could sit there as long as it took, because they are already home.
Now we have a country disimated by war, thousands of dead on both sides, millions of innocent civlians affected, and the 'war on terror' remains the nonsense it always was.
If we genuinly want to defeat Muslim terrorists who hate the West with a passion we cannot begin to dream of, maybe invading their homes and killing their loved ones was not the best way to go about it?
Terrorists are convinced that the West hates them - why do we give them continual and ample evidence that their perception is absolutely correct - thus providing a free and effective rectuitment campaign for their determination to terrorise us from now until Doomsday.
It was not thought out, there was no exit strategy, there was no actual intention clearly thought through - are we replacing a dictator / stopping the opium trade / or just having our 'war on terror'?
Whatever was thought, it was not thought through, and now we have the vaccum left behind.
Millions of Afghans have had the confusion of an invading force which has not helped them, and now they long for a structured leadership that understands them, and that is going to step in and concinve them that things will be alright now.
And they are there waiting.
They are called the Taliban ...
so we have the lefties, gromit, Mozz et al wanting the west to stay indefinitely when initially they'd have been spitting out their organic peace muesli at the very thought of going there in the first place. FWIW I agree the west should never have set foot in the place, we could have done enough from the air alone indefinitely and still can.
so we have the lefties, gromit, Mozz et al wanting the west to stay indefinitely when initially they'd have been spitting out their organic peace muesli at the very thought of going there in the first place
lol, is that meant to be a criticism? I thought we shouldn't have gone there in the first place for precisely that reason. You don't have to watch Princess Bride to know the folly of starting a land war in Asia. Anyone who'd watched wars in Vietnam and Korea, or just read about earlier ones in Afghanistan, knew what would happen, and it did.
lol, is that meant to be a criticism? I thought we shouldn't have gone there in the first place for precisely that reason. You don't have to watch Princess Bride to know the folly of starting a land war in Asia. Anyone who'd watched wars in Vietnam and Korea, or just read about earlier ones in Afghanistan, knew what would happen, and it did.
TTT ///I agree the west should never have set foot in the place, we could have done enough from the air alone indefinitely and still can ///
That's untrue, the only way to control somewhere, forge relationships and and kill with precision - key to maintaining local support - is by boots on the ground. Bombing human shields won't last long.
Either you think we should have 'got involved' and all that involves to do it properly, or not. I think we should have got involved but to pull out with the Taliban ready to move in is just crazy, if that's a satisfactory outcome why bother in the first place? We got a few years relative peace from them, welcome but whoppee doo.
That's untrue, the only way to control somewhere, forge relationships and and kill with precision - key to maintaining local support - is by boots on the ground. Bombing human shields won't last long.
Either you think we should have 'got involved' and all that involves to do it properly, or not. I think we should have got involved but to pull out with the Taliban ready to move in is just crazy, if that's a satisfactory outcome why bother in the first place? We got a few years relative peace from them, welcome but whoppee doo.
//Terrorists are convinced that the West hates them - why do we give them continual and ample evidence that their perception is absolutely correct…//
Islamic terrorists, the Taliban included, aren’t interested in our opinion of them. They couldn’t care less what we think. They’re not trying to impress us. They despise us and they always will. There’s never going to be any productive dialogue with them or any peace. It’s a mistake to endow them with anything resembling a western mindset because that’s something they don’t possess, they don’t respect, and they don’t strive to emulate.
Islamic terrorists, the Taliban included, aren’t interested in our opinion of them. They couldn’t care less what we think. They’re not trying to impress us. They despise us and they always will. There’s never going to be any productive dialogue with them or any peace. It’s a mistake to endow them with anything resembling a western mindset because that’s something they don’t possess, they don’t respect, and they don’t strive to emulate.
naomi - // Islamic terrorists, the Taliban included, aren’t interested in our opinion of them. They couldn’t care less what we think. They’re not trying to impress us. They despise us and they always will. There’s never going to be any productive dialogue with them or any peace. It’s a mistake to endow them with anything resembling a western mindset because that’s something they don’t possess, they don’t respect, and they don’t strive to emulate. //
I appreciate that this is your perspective, but that does not actually make it fact - does it.
I appreciate that this is your perspective, but that does not actually make it fact - does it.
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