More Victims Of The Conspiracy Loonies........

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-unvaccinated-mother-brother-and-father-die-with-coronavirus-after-being-misled-by-online-posts-12378475
...very sad case, these people bought onto the swathes of media and online BS and paid with their lives. What can be done?

[pixie374]

Roadman, it usually works the opposite way? Like taking not enough antibiotics for an ear infection, allows it to immunise against those antibiotics...
Wouldn't a virus coming into contact with an immunisation.... be "more" likely to evolve... not less?
In any case, nobody needs to risk their lives for somebody else, however unlikely- it's happening. So has to be a personal decision.

[ToraToraTora]

roadman: "Pixie what about the unvaccinated mutating the disease into something stronger where as those who are vaccinated are less likely to help the disease develop and they are less likely to carry it at all " - very good point, yes the virus does infect the vaccinated but it has little or no effect because the body fights it off much quicker and easier.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "Wouldn't a virus coming into contact with an immunisation.... be "more" likely to evolve... not less? " - no because it needs to get a foot hold before it can even reproduce, a vaccinated body shuts that down much more readily.

[pixie374]

TTT, little or no effect to the host- while educating the virus in how it needs to evolve.

[pixie374]

Not necessarily... just less symptoms.

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT, little or no effect to the host- while educating the virus in how it needs to evolve. " - err no, the virus is fighting for its life for the few days it finds itself in a vaccinated body with an army of antibodies.

[pixie374]

That's the point, ttt... it wants to survive and will evolve to a work around to what it finds.
I'm kind of comparing with what we know about antibiotics here... and obviously that's different from a virus.
Obviously, you and I are really both just thinking out loud. But I would be really interested in someone who genuinely knows... what they think.

[pixie374]

If I get covid, being vaccinated, it meets my antibodies, and I pass it on to someone else vaccinated, it meets theirs and so on.... that is exactly how they learn to evolve and survive.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "That's the point, ttt... it wants to survive and will evolve to a work around to what it finds." - gawd elp us, it can't evolve if it can't reproduce and it can't reproduce in a battle with antibodies. When it gets a proper foothold we may see symptoms, ie when it gets into an unvaccinated body ill equipped to fight it off, then it is multiplying. Geddit?

[roadman]

Pixie no it would not because it would be a bad host

[pixie374]

Tbh, TTT, I don't geddit any more than you do. That's how infections have become MRSA, and antibiotics are far less effective. Because we have allowed them to live alongside our "treatments".
The advice of "finish the course" is not for that person... it's for everybody else.
Why is this different? Why is covid unable to mutate in the same amount of time? How long exactly does it take for viruses to "reproduce"? And if they are being killed off that fast, how are vaccinated people still passing it on?

[roadman]

fact is if there is a poor host a virus wont be able to thrive

a vaccinated body is a bad host because a vaccinated body has been trained to fight of the disease making the disease struggle let alone thrive and survive and evolve

[pixie374]

https://www.thermofisher.com/uk/en/home/clinical/clinical-genomics/pathogen-detection-solutions/real-time-pcr-respiratory-tract-microbiota-detection.html?cid=gsd_gts_sbu_r01_co_cp1299_pjt4712_gsd00000_0se_gaw_rs_awa_resp-panel2_0&s_kwcid=AL!3652!3!520454285961!b!!g!!sars%20cov%202%20rna%20virus&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6s2IBhCnARIsAP8RfAimV-uis1_ViNCkAqcsKQtC-FYkyGAwHp_nZBbTuLO1Pr7EUML5qMkaAloxEALw_wcB

If covid can replicate within 5 hours... how long can it remain in a vaccinated person's body? You obviously are suggesting less than that?

[dannyk13]

Here is the science of mutation of a virus:-

https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing-medical-research/how-do-viruses-mutate-and-what-it-means-vaccine

[pixie374]

Roadman, they evolve fastest, when they "are" in trouble. I'm not doubting that- just trying to get the proper reasoning and explanation from TTT.

[youngmafbog]

//but I would take measures to stop them mixing with the rest of us.//

Just out of interest why?

If you have been vaccinated what extra risk to they pose to you? Even being vaccinated you can pass it on.

[andy-hughes]

Bobbi - //
It’s noticeable that the media are now hitting us with these stories of people who have refused the vaccine that are dying from Covid , it’s becoming more like a public service announcement to frighten people into getting it, disgraceful !! //

I don;t think it is scaremongering.

There are vast swathes of mis-information out there from conspiracy nuts who are pursuading people not to have the injections they need for the world to get control of the virus.

If an informed source can advise them of the dangers, then it may encourage them to get vaccinated.

// If people want it they’ll ask to have it without the scaremongering from the media //

With that statement you are assuming that everyone assesses the information available, and makes an informed dcecision.

Sadly, as the stats show, that is simply not the case - far too many people are being swayed by nonsense from idiots - and that is why the media campaigns are necessary.

[pixie374]

Thank you, Danny x makes sense, and mutation seems to be slower than flu. Will see TTT's response.

[pixie374]

Andy, I can honestly say though- at least on AB- I have never seen a thread about somebody dying from the vaccine, and regretting that. I'm a pro-vaxxer- and even i can see how dodgy it looks, when only one side is ever presented.