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andy-hughes
naomi - // Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society. //
It sounds like a perfect solution - it is just moving the problem somewhere else, but as long as it's not here, who cares?
But seriously - this is the thin edge of a really nastry wedge.
If you start shifting people out of their homes because they support something you think is wrong (and I am not for a moment suggesting that it is anything but wrong) then where do you draw the line?
Do elected vegans start pushing for legislation that meat-eaters are moved somewhere else?
Even for you andy hughes that is truly pathetic
To compare someone with a terrorist ideology that preaches death and destruction of the west to people who choose not to eat animals is the poorest comparison I have ever heard
Lucky for NZ that this particular form of societal cancer has been removed from their midst with deadly force
Sending this terrorist home would not have been moving the problem elsewhere but returning it from where it came
naomi - // Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society. //
It sounds like a perfect solution - it is just moving the problem somewhere else, but as long as it's not here, who cares?
But seriously - this is the thin edge of a really nastry wedge.
If you start shifting people out of their homes because they support something you think is wrong (and I am not for a moment suggesting that it is anything but wrong) then where do you draw the line?
Do elected vegans start pushing for legislation that meat-eaters are moved somewhere else?
Even for you andy hughes that is truly pathetic
To compare someone with a terrorist ideology that preaches death and destruction of the west to people who choose not to eat animals is the poorest comparison I have ever heard
Lucky for NZ that this particular form of societal cancer has been removed from their midst with deadly force
Sending this terrorist home would not have been moving the problem elsewhere but returning it from where it came
Ellipsis
Keeping one person under 24 hour surveillance from a team for years, just so he can be shot dead within 60 seconds of stabbing 6 people, does seem like an awful waste in several ways ...
The pitfalls of living in a modern democratic society with all its freedoms sadly
It is for these reasons that I have no problem with governments being a bit more intrusive than the law generally allows
Basically if you are not carrying out criminal activity or having suspicious dealings with terrorist ideology then you really should not have anything to fear, should you ?
In these cases these people are generally on a list or being watched for a reason
Do not give government organisations a reason by your actions to be deemed a person of interest
Keeping one person under 24 hour surveillance from a team for years, just so he can be shot dead within 60 seconds of stabbing 6 people, does seem like an awful waste in several ways ...
The pitfalls of living in a modern democratic society with all its freedoms sadly
It is for these reasons that I have no problem with governments being a bit more intrusive than the law generally allows
Basically if you are not carrying out criminal activity or having suspicious dealings with terrorist ideology then you really should not have anything to fear, should you ?
In these cases these people are generally on a list or being watched for a reason
Do not give government organisations a reason by your actions to be deemed a person of interest
No different to job creep in any facet of life
The terrorists up their game so we have to respond and sod the sensibilities
As others have said this is not another tale of death as a result of someone being know or having previous and carrying out their deadly deeds
If what has happened is offensive to some then they will have to realise that there is a price to be paid for living in relative safety in modern society
This was acted upon in the swiftest possible manner while staying within the boundaries of modern democratic secret services and their remit
The terrorists up their game so we have to respond and sod the sensibilities
As others have said this is not another tale of death as a result of someone being know or having previous and carrying out their deadly deeds
If what has happened is offensive to some then they will have to realise that there is a price to be paid for living in relative safety in modern society
This was acted upon in the swiftest possible manner while staying within the boundaries of modern democratic secret services and their remit
Stickybottle - //
andy-hughes
naomi - // Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society. //
It sounds like a perfect solution - it is just moving the problem somewhere else, but as long as it's not here, who cares?
But seriously - this is the thin edge of a really nastry wedge.
If you start shifting people out of their homes because they support something you think is wrong (and I am not for a moment suggesting that it is anything but wrong) then where do you draw the line?
Do elected vegans start pushing for legislation that meat-eaters are moved somewhere else?
Even for you andy hughes that is truly pathetic
To compare someone with a terrorist ideology that preaches death and destruction of the west to people who choose not to eat animals is the poorest comparison I have ever heard //
Of course it's a poor comparison - that was the point of it.
It's a common debating technique to underline the perceived weakness of an argument by comparing it something even more outlandish, thus pointing out the stupidity of the original point.
Yes my comparison, was ludicrous, but it was done on purpose.
andy-hughes
naomi - // Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society. //
It sounds like a perfect solution - it is just moving the problem somewhere else, but as long as it's not here, who cares?
But seriously - this is the thin edge of a really nastry wedge.
If you start shifting people out of their homes because they support something you think is wrong (and I am not for a moment suggesting that it is anything but wrong) then where do you draw the line?
Do elected vegans start pushing for legislation that meat-eaters are moved somewhere else?
Even for you andy hughes that is truly pathetic
To compare someone with a terrorist ideology that preaches death and destruction of the west to people who choose not to eat animals is the poorest comparison I have ever heard //
Of course it's a poor comparison - that was the point of it.
It's a common debating technique to underline the perceived weakness of an argument by comparing it something even more outlandish, thus pointing out the stupidity of the original point.
Yes my comparison, was ludicrous, but it was done on purpose.
Stickybottle - // Do not give government organisations a reason by your actions to be deemed a person of interest //
I can only repeat my earlier point, that treating individuals as 'people of interest' gives carte blance to the shadier sides of government to run riot with the freedoms of innocent people.
Check out the Mccarthy Witchunts of Hollywood in the 1950's when screenwriters were blacklisted for perceived Communist sympathies, and more recently John Lennon being a 'person of interest' to the FBI as a 'subversive' foreigner.
Just because you give people in power the facility to spy on people does not automatically mean that it is used for noble and appropriate purposes.
I can only repeat my earlier point, that treating individuals as 'people of interest' gives carte blance to the shadier sides of government to run riot with the freedoms of innocent people.
Check out the Mccarthy Witchunts of Hollywood in the 1950's when screenwriters were blacklisted for perceived Communist sympathies, and more recently John Lennon being a 'person of interest' to the FBI as a 'subversive' foreigner.
Just because you give people in power the facility to spy on people does not automatically mean that it is used for noble and appropriate purposes.
The standpoint of andy hughes will ensure that terrorist actions continue
In the 21st century the rights of the individual have to be scrutinised ever more stringently
Or would you rather see more attacks like at Nice ?
As I have said those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear and using examples from 70 years ago have no comparison to modern day terrorist ideology
More pie in the sky viewpoints from pinko liberal dinosaurs
I have a feeling the public would allow a little more scrutiny of their actions if it meant a greater degree of safety whilst going about their daily business
In the 21st century the rights of the individual have to be scrutinised ever more stringently
Or would you rather see more attacks like at Nice ?
As I have said those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear and using examples from 70 years ago have no comparison to modern day terrorist ideology
More pie in the sky viewpoints from pinko liberal dinosaurs
I have a feeling the public would allow a little more scrutiny of their actions if it meant a greater degree of safety whilst going about their daily business
Naomi, someone can agree in an ideology, no matter how extreme, without committing a crime. To do so would be skirting dangerously close to repeating some of the most disgraceful mistakes of the past.
I'm all for clamping down on extremism, and criminalising lesser acts with harsher sentencing, but punishing people because they may commit a crime? Shouldn't be done.
I'm all for clamping down on extremism, and criminalising lesser acts with harsher sentencing, but punishing people because they may commit a crime? Shouldn't be done.
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