Geronimo

[bednobs]

i see that initial conclusions from PM were that it didnt have BTB!

[AuntPG]

It was tested positive for BTB antibodies twice. That does not mean it has the disease, just that it had been exposed to it in the past and developed anti-bodies. The owners claim these anti bodies were acquired after the animal was inoculated against BTB. Rules ,however, are rules, and 1000's of farmers a year are probably being forced to cull healthy animals. The test needs changing.

[wolf63]

... let the Alpaca wars of 2021 begin ...

:-(

[dannyk13]

The owner must be devastated.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9969559/Geronimo-did-NOT-Bovine-Tuberculosis-claims-owner.html?ito=push-notification&ci=LSXKNQpgeM&;cri=L7Z3hu6kna&si=34683987&;xi=f23152f1-a0d6-42f4-bfb9-ec4db9971c02&ai=9969559

[Ken4155]

The last 2 paragraphs of your link, Danny, would indicate that the cry of 'All clear' is a tad premature.

[Mamyalynne]

That's because that link was updated @ 13.55 (after Danny posted it).

[dannyk13]

Ken, nobody at DEFRA will be in a hurry to admit that a mistake was made.

[Ken4155]

Of course not, Danny. One of the reasons (if not the main one) why they wouldn't allow an independent vet observe the PM.

[Peter Pedant]

// Of course not, Danny//

dry your eyes, all of you
You are not vetinerary pathologists - ( cries and sobs of what dat den?)
interspersed - interpunctutated even with those stifled sobs young children emit
A tuberculin test ( which ws used ) will show positive once there has been an infection - so all of us ( TB or BCG ( or both, (me)) would react positive

er Llamas dont get BCG so a positive result is past infection

which may or may not be active ( there now - silently killing....)

The results have been sent off for culture and that is a 6-week suck. You use a medium in old speak called Lowenstein Jensen which just about kills everything else so that TB can grow. You do it by adding copper ions
and classify the colonies as ruff tuff or buff - colour chromogen
and grow in dark, or light ( phoophile I think) and stain ( AFB of course)
and yes by that time everyone has lost interest or is dead.

since you anticipate a negative test, you cant do all the whizzy modern things which are quick quick quick but tend to miss cases

[Peter Pedant]

oo god go forward six weeks to a still negative culture

Make dust my paper and with rainy eyes
write sorrow in the bazzoom of the earth

Shak......................Rich 2 one of the sad bits

[Sqad]

PP is spot on,to culture the bacillus takes 6weeks.

[Ken4155]

^
"You are not veterinary pathologists." And you are?

[Sqad]

No Ken,but I do remember basic bacteriology.

[Ken4155]

That was indicated in Danny's link. "Experts expect to complete the full process by the end of this year."

[Ken4155]

Sqad, my 15;28 was to PP.

[Sqad]

OK ,Ken but I put my money on PP having a degree in Bacteriology.

[naomi24]

I don’t.

[Ken4155]

Still doesn't make him a veterinary pathologist, sqad :-)

[William51]

AuntPG is right. There is something wrong when healthy animals are put down. The testing system needs updating.