Is The Care Industry Particularly Festooned With Anti Vaxers?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mandatory-vaccination-for-care-workers-is-damaging-a-sector-already-on-its-knees-12409176
....why would that be?

[dannyk13]

TTT, it is the deadline that is contentious, not the vaccination.

[ToraToraTora]

how can that be danny? unless they are under 16! They've had plenty of time. My son is 25 and he was jabbed months ago.

[dannyk13]

TTT, I don't know how long they have had but the deadline is today and that is what the union are complaining about.

[AuntPG]

They have had months and months to get a jab, the Union is just using the deadline as an excuse for its members. Unfortunately, I think a large amount of people who end up as carers are uneducated, and more likely to listen to Doctor FB and social media scares than scientists.

[THECORBYLOON]

No idea what the "festooned" is meant to mean but it would help if the percentage of care workers that will miss the deadline were known.

[pixie374]

My view, which nobody else will probably agree with... is that from the very first day a carer is trained- the integral principles are freedom of choice and body autonomy. It is literally a massive part of the work and drummed in on a daily basis, including compulsory courses and so on.
To expect those same people to be bullied into personal healthcare, would mean they are hypocrites to stay. I already know of 7, personally who have left. But every one of them fully vaccinated- they disagree on principle.
I have no idea why so many decided not to be vaccinated in the first place, but there seems to be a surfeit of young people and bame people working in care, who are already known to be not particularly needing/ wanting the vaccination. So, I imagine care will have a huge number of non-vaxed.
Anyway, we are only already £140,000 short.... no doubt the forced-vaccination approvers will take over.

[AuntPG]

Pixie Someone was on breakfast TV this morning from the Union of Care workers says there are no formal training courses in place. I found this hard to believe.
Doctors, Nurses and Vets have to have Mandatory vaccines for certain diseases they may come into contact with -no jab no job. What makes a care worker more important/special than these people?

[dannyk13]

Pixie //To expect those same people to be bullied //
To call making vaccination a requirement of the job as bullying is a bit OTT.

[AuntPG]

I agree, if these workers do not understand the importance of being vaccinated for the good of their clients/patients then they are probably in the wrong job.

[pixie374]

Apg, there are no end of compulsory courses. It also seems to only apply to carers. Visitors, doctors, nurses etc, don't need them and most residents have had it. With other vaccines, the point is that you can't carry and pass it on. With covid, that doesn't apply... it only benefits the person who has had it.
And no, Danny, if you want staff with integrity and principles, you can't have it both ways.
As far as I'm aware, it doesn't affect me, or homecarers in general? It just seems odd to aim for an industry notoriously short-staffed and with those demographics- to think force is the way to achieve anything.

[Ken4155]

Never agreed with the mandatory vaccines. Those who refuse to be vaccinated lose their jobs, care homes become vastly understaffed, the level of care deteriorates. Who suffers?

[pixie374]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58259636

Apologies, not 140,000 short.... 1,650,000 short. Only to get worse.

[THECORBYLOON]

I've just Googled that figure of 1,650,000 and that appears to be the number employed in the care sector in England so I am confused by its being the shortage.

[pixie374]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/03/heartbreaking-price-of-care-worker-crisis-as-1600000-jobs-unfilled-15199033/

[pixie374]

Sorry, not sure if they added them on or included.

[roadman]

Anti vaxxers were about when polio was bad they arent about anymore you know something to learn from maybe i was jabbed double jabbed months ago now

[THECORBYLOON]

That figure refers to all workers not only care workers.

[vulcan42]

If the carers are willing to go on "no end of compulsory courses" to keep their job, why do they object to having the jab, also to keep their jobs? I certainly don't understand those who have had the jab but still resigned, principle's don't pay the bills.

[pixie374]

Vulcan, if you don't have principles, you are in the wrong job and have learnt nothing. It's the opposite of natural selection, depending on what character of people you want looking after your vulnerable relatives.
Let's be honest, for possibly the majority of carers, working only goes some way towards bills. When you consider, pretty much all of them could leave and find a better paid job in less than a day...
I would compromise my own principles, while disliking bribery, to suggest that those who "are" double-jabbed, could have an hourly pay rise. I would suspect that would be far far more effective, without forcing or losing good staff.

[pixie374]

Also, vulcan, compulsory courses, get paid for, and don't have potential side-effects of illness or death. Not really comparable.