"Eu Shamed" ?

[Khandro]

As others may know, always been a keen Brexiteer, but I'm finding some of the rhetoric flying around at the moment to be a bit uncomfortable, for example, this morning's headlines in the Express read, "EU shamed by 'bigger, tougher' UK and US after Australia defence pact 'Full marks Boris' "

I fear this kind of hubris & gloating isn't doing the UK any favours, you'd think we were preparing to go to war! - there's also lot's of similar sentiment on YouTubes; shouldn't they all pipe down a bit?

[emmie]

its nothing to what the French are saying surely. They are banging the drum at every turn and quite frankly it's time we told them where to get off.

[naomi24]

What are the French saying on YouTube?

[Stickybottle]

May as well blow your own trumpet
The EU are certainly not going to do it for you at any time

[naomi24]

^Precisely.

[emmie]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1494081/eu-news-uk-us-australia-nuclear-submarines-joe-biden-boris-johnson-france-macron

[Zacs-Master]

Khandro, you need to realise YouTube is somewhere any idiot can post their halfarsed opinions. A bit like, Erm,……….Answerbank.

Do you seriously believe the ‘EU Mandarins’ (a-hem) take such opinions seriously?

[ToraToraTora]

well as the remoaners would have had you believe we'd be living in a cave on dung beetles I think it's rather fun!

[Khandro]

ZM //Do you seriously believe the ‘EU Mandarins’ (a-hem) take such opinions seriously?//

Of course they do & such things appear quoted regularly in the presses of the EU member countries. I'm pleased that Britain is confounding the remainers doomsday predictions, a touch of quiet schadenfreude is OK, but keep it to yourself, we've still got to get along as neighbours.

[dannyk13]

Khandro//we've still got to get along as neighbours//
Tell that to Macron.

[naomi24]

No easy task, Khandro, when they make no effort to get along with us.

[emmie]

its what i said, Macron is livid at this deal.... good

[youngmafbog]

To some degree I agree with you Khandro, I personally would rather we get on with our European neighbours as its not them but the EU I dislike.

Having said that the actions of Macron re: AZ and now this deal make getting along real difficult.

[ichkeria]

Absolutely khandro and it’s heartening to hear a Brexit supporter say so.

The worrying thing for me isn’t the Daily Express: it’s just a rag which stopped being a serious newspaper years ago. It’s the suspicion that the government in the UK is trying to underpin Brexit with a dismissive attitude to our nearest neighbours. Like most near neighbours, they’re the ones we fight most with but with whom we share the commonest interests.
After Brexit there’s a change to forge particularity close relations on a one to one basis and you’d think that with France in particular we’d want to stay in good terms given the need for cooperation on illegal immigration.

[youngmafbog]

Are you saying we shouldn't take a deal because it might upset the French then Ich?

[ToraToraTora]

ich 18:59, it takes 2 to tango, the French have been as bigger pain in the April as they can be over a variety of areas since brexit.

[youngmafbog]

I think its only the French we have a problem with due in the main to Macron, but then so do other countries.

[ichkeria]

I am not sure what “deal” you are taking about but if you mean AUKUS then it ought to be possibly to have conducted this in a more diplomatic manner. Can you imagine if Australia had concluded a pact with the US and France to patrol NATO’s borders and in the process cancelled a major defence order?
You can only imagine the Daily Express headlines then.
It is rather odd, as France has interests in that region which dwarf those of the UK and indeed Australia. The only think I can think is that it’s based in a subset of 5 Eyes and it’s an intelligence thing. Tho the intelligence is hard to fathom :-)

[youngmafbog]

Its pretty obviously about China Ick. Surely you can see that and that is why they want silent and long submerged subs rather than Diesel/Battery ones.

It's almost definitely in the 5 eyes and lets face it nobody trusts the French, especially at the moment with little Napoleon at the helm.

[ichkeria]

That is the sort of mentality that I hope and trust isn’t prevalent in the cabinet :-)
Like I say, it’s the manner in which these things are done which matters.
And rhetoric and grandstanding by different sides doesn’t help.
It’s interesting tho that of the three countries the French did not recall their ambassador in London. I wonder why that was …

[Khandro]

Macron is a ridiculous bombast who is in the process of hoisting himself by his own petard, his waspish nature has led him to do some petulant acts such as his early condemnation of the Oxford AZ which arguably led to many deaths in Africa, & harmed even his own country, then his threats to switch of the juice to the Channel Islands & even the UK, the unjustified fishing demands & more.

I'm saying, don't sink to his level, OK, he's personally worth a pot-shot or two, he's here today & gone tomorrow, but go easy on the "EU" there's quite a few real & potential friends out there.