Andrew

[smurfchops]

I can’t even bring myself to call him a Prince, he is just awful BUT Ms Guiffre says she was forced to have sex with him. She seems happy in the photo in the mews house and she wasn’t chained up or had a gun to her head, she was possibly paid for her services as well. What do you think?

[Mamyalynne]

I have no idea what went on obviously, however are you suggesting that if a young woman (as in this case) hasn't been chained,bound or have a gun to their jead then they can't have been coerced?

[bookbinder]

It could be that someone has suggested to her that, if she pushes this matter hard enough, she could end up with a large amount of money in her bank account.

[naomi24]

I don’t like him one bit but I don’t believe her. I think she thought she was on to a good thing mixing with the rich and famous. Girls who don’t like being ‘abused’ don’t go back three times.

[anneasquith]

Impossible to say what hold Epstein (Andrews friend) had on the young woman .

[Barsel]

Ms Guiffre was working for Epstein as a girl who would entertain so called friends of his.
I'm sure she would have been paid to do this, and wouldn't have wanted to refuse as there might have been consequences , so she obliged.
Now she is saying she was forced, and there is no-one to prove she wasn't.
Epstein is dead and Maxwell is in prison, so it might be Ms Guiffre's word against Andrews.

[Deskdiary]

This is about money.

Slimey though he is, he’s a Prince so I doubt he’d have had too much problem in bedding girls, so I don’t buy the coercion argument.

[Peter Pedant]

// however are you suggesting that if a young woman (as in this case) hasn't been chained,bound or have a gun to their jead then they can't have been coerced?//

no - SHE is suggesting that, and is meeting with similar confusion and doubt - in the photo she looks happy

As usual the Beeb reporting is awful - the fluffy beebsters only have ology degrees and my god it shows.

the lawyers in America are trying to non-suit the case ( no case to answer even if true) and Giuffre will probably apply to amend ( OK what he really did is this....I sort of forget to say that but that doesnt matter....)

and is but another move in the chess game - the defence will probably later move to strike out the video deposition in London Jul 22 on the grounds there is nothing to ask him.

Dershowitz got off on the document that said "0 OK enough is enough,"(*) and I daresay he is helping andrew with the details.

I am a big one for "the plaintiff has to prove her case and I dont have to disprove wild statements" -

(*)
Interest rei publicae ut sit finis litium - ----
The public interest of a matter so that a litigation should end.”
o my gard do they speak latin in the land of the free?

[Peter Pedant]

I agree it is about moolah, loo-loo

just because randy andy is a naughty naughty prince
does NOt mean that he has to pay any and every free booter mega-dollarees

As Judge Judy says - ya shouldda kept your dlick in yer pay-ants, and then ya wouldnt be here!

[Ellipsis]

Is it possible that a 17 year old girl was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell?

Yes it is. Very likely, in fact.

Is it possible that Andrew was a customer of that?

Yes, it's possible. I would like to see some evidence tested somewhere, not just brushed off.

[grumpy01]

As we don’t know all or perhaps even any of the facts concerning this case,conjecture is pointless.

[davebro]

I think Ms Maxwell has the answers.

[JimF]

Anything which contributes to the detriment and eventual abolition of the monarchy is fine by me.

[Ellipsis]

Then it would probably be best if it was spun out for years and years following dismissal on a technicality, JimF ...

[Deskdiary]

What evidence ellipses?

There’s no physical evidence.

This comes down to “yes you did”, “no I didn’t”.

Any evidence from Maxwell can’t be trusted, and Epstein is dead.

Unless there’s phone records saying “Randy, I’ve got a young bird for you that I’m forcing to her to jump you” there is no evidence.

Actually, I’m not even sure why I’m contributing to this thread, because I couldn’t care any less if I tried.

[JimF]

"Aye, Jim. I wonder what team you support up here in Scotland, Eh. Maybe a team big Jock Stein knew?"

Seriously? You're asking if I'm a Protestant or a Catholic?

[Ellipsis]

> What evidence ellipses?
> There’s no physical evidence

Ah, you have me at a disadvantage because you clearly know things that I don't ...