Not Friends After All .

[gulliver1]

Joe Biden takes a swipe at the Special relationship Boris though the UK had with the US.
Backing the French as a loyal ally saying....."I had a great meeting with President Macron. The US has no older no more Loyal ally than France .they have been with us from the beginning and we will always be there for them. ............( I always thought UK AND USA were joined at the hip)...
..Oh dear Boris what have you said to him ?.

[gulliver1]

Don't think it helped a lot with Boris and Biden's relationship when Biden described Boris as being a "Physical and emotional Clone of Donald Trump"
.....that should read Clone and not Clown... (not a typo...).

[ichkeria]

“It was in The Times on Saturday”

What was in the Times on Saturday was the story “Biden mends fences with Macron after Pacific Row”

No suggestion of a “snub” or a “swipe” at Britain. And nothing to do with the fishing row.
It’s called proper journalism

[naomi24]

I don't think Biden ever was our friend. We knew that ... didn't we?

[gulliver1]

Think Boris admired Trump.

[ichkeria]

Bobbinwales said it more eloquently than I did.
This is just paranoid navel-gazing.
If the President of the US is not a friend of the UK then we may as well head for the nuclear bunkers :-)
When it comes down to it the US is still just about the most powerful nation on earth and the UK is a diminished world power.
But we share many common values and crucially intelligence. As well as the division of a common language :-)

[davebro]

//the UK is a diminished world power.//

Yes - about time we assumed our rightful place!

[Atheist]

dave; do you think that UK has a right to be a top world power?

[davebro]

no I don't that's why I said (I thought) that we should take a step back.

[Kardashev]

"dave; do you think that UK has a right to be a top world power?" - a rather silly question, the position of any nation in the world is not based on any "right", merely a statistical evaluation. The UK is 5th on GDP. The "right" is purely the ordinal position in whatever sorted list we choose to examine.

[Atheist]

dave, thanks for clarification.
Kardashev; I agree with you except for your view that my question was silly; I was trying to understand dave's view.

[gulliver1]

Boris tried to model himself as a second Churchill, but when that failed he tried, and succeded in molding himself into Donald Trump which was not very hard for Boris, as he already was an accomplished liar and bull shiner. Perhaps thats why Biden has no time for him.

[Kardashev]

on what is the "right" based? Are you saying UK or any country should deliberately sabotage itself because of lack of "right"? Seems a very silly approach to me.

[gulliver1]

YMB 13.03 ,"All this was started by the French ,Macron in particular no doubt to bolster his election chances"....
Seems a little like Boris and the Cons using Brexit to bolster Boris's election chances....

[ichkeria]

Gulliver your entire starting point was based (so far as I can tell) on Biden’s attempts to patch things up with the French after AUKUS (I think it was called)
It was nothing to do with the UK.
It would surprise me greatly admittedly if Boris Johnson was a politician Biden looked up to particularly but then again, although Trump and Johnson are often compared to each other, Johnson’s opinion of Trump was scarcely better than Biden’s of Johnson. These are all very different people politically but I’m pretty sure Biden and Johnson have more in common than Trump and Johnson or Biden and Trump. Particularly on climate. I don’t think it does to overdramatise these things.

[bobbinwales]

oh dear gulliver.
Have you seen/heard this clip of Obama saying the same thing. About loadsa countries. This will perhaps help you see that theres nothing new here, nothing to read into it

[10ClarionSt]

There hardly was a "Special Relationship". It only came about when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the USA declared war on Japan, then Germany decalred war on the USA because of their alliance with Japan. This meant that the UK and the USA had to share intelligence, something that Churchill was at first reluctant to do, due to the secrecy surrounding Bletchley Park. That's where this magical "Special Relationship" began. Prior to that, there was no love lost between the two countries. In fact, in 1934 (?), the USA drew up a plan called War-Plan Red, which it would have implemented against the UK. This would involve the invasion of British territories in the Carribean and the invasion of Canada as a declaration of war against GB.

[gulliver1]

The Bond between USA and UK was so great once,that Thatcher wanted the UK to be the 51st state of America , she loved the USA.

[gulliver1]

It was a special relationship. Without America in WW2 Britain would have been on it's knees. Never mind taking the knee.

[Kardashev]

I'm new here so can someone tell me if this guy gulliver is for real?

[bobbinwales]

Yes. For real...and surreal.