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Covid Alarm Bells In Germany
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Will gulliver put this down to Brexit and a lack of HGV drivers as well as food shortages ?
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Will gulliver put this down to Brexit and a lack of HGV drivers as well as food shortages ?
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The public in Britain seem largely to be acting as though Covid is over. Somehow 40,000 new cases each day and many days with 200+ deaths no longer seems to register. I think people may be in for a big shock in a few weeks time.
18:34 Thu 11th Nov 2021
What also matters is not just the daily total but the trajectory. The UK's Covid death rate is relatively stable. Germany's is rising. Over the entire lifetime of the pandemic, the UK has been worse hit, but right now from the point of view of Covid I'd rather be in the UK's position than Germany's.
It's worse still in Eastern European countries. In Croatia, a country I'm choosing for no particular reason, they're in the midst of a third wave that is already virtually guaranteed to be worse than the second, and is likely to rival if not exceed the first at the current rate.
It's worse still in Eastern European countries. In Croatia, a country I'm choosing for no particular reason, they're in the midst of a third wave that is already virtually guaranteed to be worse than the second, and is likely to rival if not exceed the first at the current rate.
Thud. But 150000 bodies piled up would not shock you perhaps. Do you say that when terror attacks kill peope- oh its only a tiny percentage of the population. Forget Hillsborough or greenfell or manxhester Arena as there only a few hundred. Twin towers can be brushed over too. Only a tiny proportion of us population dave.
No liquids allowed on planes. Extra security? I think it was necessary after a few incidents where lots died, do you thnaks that was overkill because its only a small percentage of people who get killed by terrorists on flights?
We dont allow rabid dogs even though only a small % of population might die.
150000 or so might seem a small % to you but not to those that lost them and feel a lot could of been avoided. What would be acceptable to you- half a million?
We dont allow rabid dogs even though only a small % of population might die.
150000 or so might seem a small % to you but not to those that lost them and feel a lot could of been avoided. What would be acceptable to you- half a million?
//Somehow 40,000 new cases each day and many days with 200+ deaths no longer seems to register.//
The number of cases does not matter. In any case the seven day average is currently c.34,300 and it has fallen by more than 27% since it peaked on 23rd October.
The current seven day average death toll is 163. This is around 10% of daily deaths. A proper analysis of those deaths is required to establish whether Covid was the cause of death or simply the catalyst (as pneumonia often is when patients have serious underlying problems).
I don't think the public are under the impression that the pandemic is over (at least, not those who accept there was one ongoing in the first place). Instead I believe the public (and most importantly, the government) seem to have moved to the position where it is accepted that the virus is now endemic, it will spread, most of those who catch will either not know they have it or will suffer few symptoms, but unfortunately some will develop serious symptoms and some of those will unfortunately die (as people do from all sorts of conditions).
The danger is that there still seems to be an underlying threat that restrictions (which have serious consequences) will be re-introduced in order to control demand on the NHS. Well that didn't work last time. All it did was delay the demand so as we now have a situation where almost 6m people are waiting for treatment, a backlog that will take a decade or more to clear. But of course the lucky ones were those who contracted Covid. They were treated as a priority and without delay. People suffering from other equally serious life-threatening conditions had to take a back seat and for many of them the delay was fatal.
Yes, bob, a lot of people have died, some as a direct result from Covid, others for whom it was the straw that broke the camel's back. The restrictions you mention which mitigate other threats (such as bombs on planes and rabid dogs) do not inflict the sort of harm that the measures taken up to last May have inflicted on the population, businesses and the economy (including, most importantly, untreated illness). That's why it's important that this shift of attitude is maintained and restrictions are not used as a routine method of controlling demand on the NHS. If that is allowed to get a hold the country will face restrictions every winter because, for so long as I can remember, the NHS has always faced a "crisis" each and every winter.
The number of cases does not matter. In any case the seven day average is currently c.34,300 and it has fallen by more than 27% since it peaked on 23rd October.
The current seven day average death toll is 163. This is around 10% of daily deaths. A proper analysis of those deaths is required to establish whether Covid was the cause of death or simply the catalyst (as pneumonia often is when patients have serious underlying problems).
I don't think the public are under the impression that the pandemic is over (at least, not those who accept there was one ongoing in the first place). Instead I believe the public (and most importantly, the government) seem to have moved to the position where it is accepted that the virus is now endemic, it will spread, most of those who catch will either not know they have it or will suffer few symptoms, but unfortunately some will develop serious symptoms and some of those will unfortunately die (as people do from all sorts of conditions).
The danger is that there still seems to be an underlying threat that restrictions (which have serious consequences) will be re-introduced in order to control demand on the NHS. Well that didn't work last time. All it did was delay the demand so as we now have a situation where almost 6m people are waiting for treatment, a backlog that will take a decade or more to clear. But of course the lucky ones were those who contracted Covid. They were treated as a priority and without delay. People suffering from other equally serious life-threatening conditions had to take a back seat and for many of them the delay was fatal.
Yes, bob, a lot of people have died, some as a direct result from Covid, others for whom it was the straw that broke the camel's back. The restrictions you mention which mitigate other threats (such as bombs on planes and rabid dogs) do not inflict the sort of harm that the measures taken up to last May have inflicted on the population, businesses and the economy (including, most importantly, untreated illness). That's why it's important that this shift of attitude is maintained and restrictions are not used as a routine method of controlling demand on the NHS. If that is allowed to get a hold the country will face restrictions every winter because, for so long as I can remember, the NHS has always faced a "crisis" each and every winter.
Am not suggesting anywhere anythink like a lockdown like last April newjudge, even tho it was necessary then and the harm was worthwhile I dont think its needed yet.... but we cant be complacent and some continuation or tightening may be needed. Plcaes in Europe I seen seem to accept things like proving your vaccinated before entry to some places or at least temperature checks, and people cooperate with masks.
Just what would be the point of a temperature check? I naturally have a body temperature a little - about one degree F - above that of most people. You can run a temperature with all manner of trivial conditions. What would happen to me in the event my temperature was checked? What would happen to somebody who had theirs checked whilst they were running a cold?
I foresee grave problems with "Covid passports." Night clubs, cinemas and so on they may get away with. People don't need to go to them. But people need to go to shops, they need to use public transport. Make those activities conditional on having to have undergone a medical procedure and that is compulsion by any other name - and that's illegal. I can see m'Learned Friends rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of months of daily "refreshers" arguing the nuances of how that compulsion may be interpreted. It would be a brave - or possibly foolish - government which tries to get away with that in the UK (all of it, not just England).
I won't comment on the contentious issue of face coverings again. I think we've done that to death. Sufficient to say that the government in England has seen fit to remove the legal obligation to wear them so it's now simply a matter of personal choice if you live there. Wear one if you want and you won't be ridiculed. Don't wear one if you choose not to and you should not be vilified.
I foresee grave problems with "Covid passports." Night clubs, cinemas and so on they may get away with. People don't need to go to them. But people need to go to shops, they need to use public transport. Make those activities conditional on having to have undergone a medical procedure and that is compulsion by any other name - and that's illegal. I can see m'Learned Friends rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of months of daily "refreshers" arguing the nuances of how that compulsion may be interpreted. It would be a brave - or possibly foolish - government which tries to get away with that in the UK (all of it, not just England).
I won't comment on the contentious issue of face coverings again. I think we've done that to death. Sufficient to say that the government in England has seen fit to remove the legal obligation to wear them so it's now simply a matter of personal choice if you live there. Wear one if you want and you won't be ridiculed. Don't wear one if you choose not to and you should not be vilified.
Newjudge knows it all obviously or thinks he does
Lots of countries use them and some places in UK. They think its worthwhile. Would you refuse to do it? How come they just get on with it in Europe and don't winge. Its no hardship and can indicate a problem. If scientific advice is to do it then whats your issue. If they dont require it then fine
Lots of countries use them and some places in UK. They think its worthwhile. Would you refuse to do it? How come they just get on with it in Europe and don't winge. Its no hardship and can indicate a problem. If scientific advice is to do it then whats your issue. If they dont require it then fine
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