Google Taking A Hard Line With The Anti Vaxers....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59669839
...I'm no expert on US law but can you fire someone for not agreeing to a medical procedure? Expect some law suits to start flying.

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "It protects the individual but it doesn't stop that individual infecting others. " - read what I wrote: " it is spread mostly by coughing and sneezing, most of the vaccinated don't even know they have it for the day or two it takes the immune system to eradicate it." - vaccinated people have it for a much shorter time and do not spread it very much. It's a case of minimising time in the body and disabling the main spreading mechanism, ie coughing and sneezing. Surely you can see that.

[naomi24]

I read what you said but bearing in mind that the vaccinated may still transmit it, I'm not comfortable with rendering the unvaccinated pariahs - which is what this suggestion amounts to.

[Hopkirk]

Good on you, Google.

(I have a close relative who is a Google employee. It has not been good for their well-being constantly working from home. They want to get back in the office, in as much safety as possible)

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "I read what you said but bearing in mind that the vaccinated may still transmit it," - it's a question of degree, instead of the virus what if it was water? Unvaccinated, full blown fire hose, vaccinated garden hose dribble. I know what I prefer.

[Togo]

Google are not the only US company taking such measures. One of the big supermarket companies introduced a plicy of giving 2 weeks paid sick leave( over and above the statutory) to all employees who needed time off having caught covid. They have withdrawn that dispensation for the unvaccinated. Plus some companies who run health plan schemes for employees are making the unvaccinated pay extra. Up to $200 extra a month with one airline and $50 or so for other industries.

[naomi24]

TTT, Your analogy suggests that if the virus is transmitted by a vaccinated person it will have a less severe effect but I don’t believe that's true at all.

//People who are fully vaccinated against Covid yet catch the virus are just as infectious to others in their household as infected unvaccinated people, research suggests.//

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/covid-vaccinated-likely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

Those vaccinated are without doubt less likely to suffer severe illness or worse, but they are no less likely to infect others - which is a very good reason for people to protect THEMSELVES by getting the vaccine.

[youngmafbog]

As Naomi has stated the vaccinated still carry it and pass it on. The analogy of the fire hose and a dribble is dangerously wrong. There may be some reduction(but medics seem to be in disagreement on how much) but not enough to make a massive difference.

There is also the added danger that the vaccine hides the symptom and infected vaccinated continue to carry it around spreading it whereas an unvaccinated is more likely to suffer and hence be taken out of circulation.

If you think you are protected by mixing with only vaccinated, better rethink that one - you arent.

[chelle7272]

Hasn't this already happened with care workers, and Pimlico Plumbers?

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "TTT, Your analogy suggests that if the virus is transmitted by a vaccinated person it will have a less severe effect but I don’t believe that's true at all. " - no it doesn't it, think it through. You can still get soaked with a garden hose same as you can with a fire hose it's just that the latter is more likely.

[ToraToraTora]

ymb: "The analogy of the fire hose and a dribble is dangerously wrong. " - how?

[youngmafbog]

Because there is no evidence to suggest that any vaccine slows down the transmission that much, and some say it is really minimal.

I you feel it does and you feel safe then fine, feel free to ignore me. I have consulted medical professionals though.

[ToraToraTora]

YMB: "Because there is no evidence to suggest that any vaccine slows down the transmission that much, and some say it is really minimal. " - people with symptoms spread it much more than people without, as explained above.

[youngmafbog]

You have ignored what I said above.

Fine, you believe what you want to.

Personally I will keep my distance from both.

[ToraToraTora]

surely someone vaccinated and with the virus, expels fewer viruses in total than someone with the disease in full flow. If a vaccinated person catches it, they are infected for couple of days before the body kills it. A non vaccinated person with it will have it for weeks and will be coughing and spluttering all over the place. Surely that equates to more spread ability??

[pixie374]

TTT, very generally, maybe. But in reality, you are either in contact with someone with it, or you aren't. And you won't catch it "more mildly" from someone vaccinated. So, your hose example doesn't work at all.
Also, from vaccinated people, the biggest symptom, if any, seems to be sneezing... maybe it has to spread further.
No idea about US law, obviously the UK have sacked lots already, so will be interested to see how their cases go.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie, not heard about UK firms firing people, who's done that?

[pixie374]

Only care and residential and nursing that I know of, so far. NHS staff in April.

[pixie374]

Have asked in Law... see if somebody knows.

[pixie374]

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Question1777230.html

[bobbinwales]

I can see concerns and challenges over vaccine proof but if theres also an option of a weekly test whats wrong with that. Some employers do it already- have to submitt weekly evidence of negative LFT. Every school child has to do them.