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Covid New Variants / Strains
We are being urged(including a new ad campaign ) to have the covid booster to counter the Omicron variant
It's likely that there will be new variants down the line that will require new vaccines .
So are we destined for a life ,for the foreseeable future of having to have constant jabs ?
It's likely that there will be new variants down the line that will require new vaccines .
So are we destined for a life ,for the foreseeable future of having to have constant jabs ?
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//How you choose to delay that is up to you but as the two ladies said who were taking my blood donation from me today
‘Wish we could refuse to treat the unvaccinated’//
Wish that we could treat cancer patients instead.
Im un vaxed and willingly give my un vaxed time to a cancer patient instead of waiting in a que of fearful double vaxxed people waiting for their 3rd vax to protect themselves against against a virus with a survival rate of over 99%.
Sigh
For the hard of understanding :
It is mostly unvaccinated patients in hospital
As I said elsewhere yesterday THEY are the ones who are preventing cancer surgery and other life improving operations because they are taking up beds when if they were vaccinated the likelihood of them being in hospital is greatly reduced
In short people with your mindset are the main reason that cancer patients are not getting their treatment
Feel better now ?
//How you choose to delay that is up to you but as the two ladies said who were taking my blood donation from me today
‘Wish we could refuse to treat the unvaccinated’//
Wish that we could treat cancer patients instead.
Im un vaxed and willingly give my un vaxed time to a cancer patient instead of waiting in a que of fearful double vaxxed people waiting for their 3rd vax to protect themselves against against a virus with a survival rate of over 99%.
Sigh
For the hard of understanding :
It is mostly unvaccinated patients in hospital
As I said elsewhere yesterday THEY are the ones who are preventing cancer surgery and other life improving operations because they are taking up beds when if they were vaccinated the likelihood of them being in hospital is greatly reduced
In short people with your mindset are the main reason that cancer patients are not getting their treatment
Feel better now ?
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From the link :
Hugh Montgomery, professor of intensive care at University College London, has just finished a 24-hour shift. He looks knackered and beaten, but not by the hours, nor the cumulative effect of battling a pandemic for 18 months. What gets him, he says, is that many of the patients he is treating shouldn’t be there. ICU beds, which could be used for cancer patients, or elderly people needing hip replacements, are being taken up by anti-vaxxers and Covid-deniers.
“We are running three beds to one nurse. It’s supposed to be 1:1,” says Montgomery. The numbers being admitted to hospital are predicted to rise six or seven-fold this winter. The problem is exacerbated by the burden of keeping Covid patients isolated. “We cannot put a Covid patient next to a cancer or hip-replacement patient, so we are running two health services. It’s not fair. We have got a disease we now understand, a safe vaccine that works, but the wards are full of people who don’t believe that to be true.”
From the link :
Hugh Montgomery, professor of intensive care at University College London, has just finished a 24-hour shift. He looks knackered and beaten, but not by the hours, nor the cumulative effect of battling a pandemic for 18 months. What gets him, he says, is that many of the patients he is treating shouldn’t be there. ICU beds, which could be used for cancer patients, or elderly people needing hip replacements, are being taken up by anti-vaxxers and Covid-deniers.
“We are running three beds to one nurse. It’s supposed to be 1:1,” says Montgomery. The numbers being admitted to hospital are predicted to rise six or seven-fold this winter. The problem is exacerbated by the burden of keeping Covid patients isolated. “We cannot put a Covid patient next to a cancer or hip-replacement patient, so we are running two health services. It’s not fair. We have got a disease we now understand, a safe vaccine that works, but the wards are full of people who don’t believe that to be true.”
Bring the jabs on, I personally know no one who has died from any (I accept a few tragically) but sadly personally know five people who have died from covid, that kinda tips the balance in a pretty convincing way! As I've said before, I had covid really bad, very very ill, should that happen again, and I accept it could, it may be a non vaxxed selfish misinformed or otherwise, that infects me, or my wife or grandchildren. Thats just wrong!
nailit
//I just question the logic of someone who will snort and smoke unregulated substances//
Ive never snorted anything.
Tried a few illicit drugs when young.
And all of a sudden....
So you did not snort the heroin as you claimed on another thread the other day ?
Think very carefully before you answer !
//I just question the logic of someone who will snort and smoke unregulated substances//
Ive never snorted anything.
Tried a few illicit drugs when young.
And all of a sudden....
So you did not snort the heroin as you claimed on another thread the other day ?
Think very carefully before you answer !
Stickybottle
nailit
Sticky....
You copy and pasting articles (fair enough)
But how do you expect me to respond
Ah yes
My fault
I expected you to respond in a rational manner
My mistake ! Lol
What is your view of the article I posted about the professor of intensive care and the lack of opportunities to treat cancer patients because of the anti vaxxed covid ones ?
nailit
Sticky....
You copy and pasting articles (fair enough)
But how do you expect me to respond
Ah yes
My fault
I expected you to respond in a rational manner
My mistake ! Lol
What is your view of the article I posted about the professor of intensive care and the lack of opportunities to treat cancer patients because of the anti vaxxed covid ones ?
//‘Wish we could refuse to treat the unvaccinated’//
Well we refuse (or perhaps delay is a better term) treating people with all manner of other ailments.
I have a neighbour who has a heart condition. When it was originally diagnosed (last May) she was told she needed surgery within a year. Any delay beyond that could be “problematic” (which, when she quizzed the consultant, turned out to mean “fatal”). She was due her operation in October. It was postponed until December “because of Covid.” December has come and has almost gone and she has now been told it has been postponed indefinitely. I can’t imagine how she feels, but not too clever I suspect.
The thing is this: a large proportion of Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated. It doesn’t matter exactly how many, but reports vary from 60% to 90%. Whatever it is, it is a large proportion. But these people are being admitted to hospital as a priority and there is no question of them remaining untreated. Meanwhile my neighbour may very well die in the next six months. But there’s no room for her because the hospitals are full with people who, by and large, are in there unnecessarily.
So, “Who do we allow to die?” This was a question asked at a government brainstorming exercise in the early days of the pandemic. Well the answer is clear – anybody who hasn’t got Covid. This is a bit galling when a person who has done as the government urged and has had three Covid jabs is denied treatment, whilst a person who has done sod all is treated immediately for a disease from which they could have significantly reduced the likelihood of their needing hospitalisation.
The NHS is prioritising treatment because it cannot treat everybody. Part of that prioritisation should include examining the steps that patients have taken to protect themselves from harm. And when you ask if this would include people who have smoked or drunk heavily or taken copious amounts of illegal drugs, my answer is “Yes.” If you deliberately risk your health by your lifestyle you should not go to the top of the list.
Well we refuse (or perhaps delay is a better term) treating people with all manner of other ailments.
I have a neighbour who has a heart condition. When it was originally diagnosed (last May) she was told she needed surgery within a year. Any delay beyond that could be “problematic” (which, when she quizzed the consultant, turned out to mean “fatal”). She was due her operation in October. It was postponed until December “because of Covid.” December has come and has almost gone and she has now been told it has been postponed indefinitely. I can’t imagine how she feels, but not too clever I suspect.
The thing is this: a large proportion of Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated. It doesn’t matter exactly how many, but reports vary from 60% to 90%. Whatever it is, it is a large proportion. But these people are being admitted to hospital as a priority and there is no question of them remaining untreated. Meanwhile my neighbour may very well die in the next six months. But there’s no room for her because the hospitals are full with people who, by and large, are in there unnecessarily.
So, “Who do we allow to die?” This was a question asked at a government brainstorming exercise in the early days of the pandemic. Well the answer is clear – anybody who hasn’t got Covid. This is a bit galling when a person who has done as the government urged and has had three Covid jabs is denied treatment, whilst a person who has done sod all is treated immediately for a disease from which they could have significantly reduced the likelihood of their needing hospitalisation.
The NHS is prioritising treatment because it cannot treat everybody. Part of that prioritisation should include examining the steps that patients have taken to protect themselves from harm. And when you ask if this would include people who have smoked or drunk heavily or taken copious amounts of illegal drugs, my answer is “Yes.” If you deliberately risk your health by your lifestyle you should not go to the top of the list.
NJ 20.38 'lifestyle' meaning you should not be treated etc.. That rules out mountain-climbers, horse-riders and a lot of athletes (you wouldn't believe how 'at risk' insurers consider Combined Eventers to be - my daughters were of that ilk). It is simply not acceptable to say that because of your lifestyle you should not be treated equally - much though we may wish that the obese would diet etc.. Just saying that I can never see myself agreeing to discrimination in the availability of health provision - especially when people have paid into the system. One of those difficult questions where there is not an exact answer.
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