Has H R H Got A Get Out Of Jail Free Card

[Stickybottle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59857168

I wonder if he has rediscovered the ability to sweat ?
No doubt he is !

[ToraToraTora]

what a load of old pony, put him in a sauna, he'd sweat.

[Mozz71]

//what a load of old pony, put him in a sauna, he'd sweat.//

Even better, put him in the dock and watch him sweat.

[Khandro]

Good God! this young woman was 17! My Grandmother married at 16 (possibly 15) just before my Grandfather went off to the WW1 trenches of the Somme.
This is all about nothing other than money.

'All EU Member States establish a minimum age for sexual consent. Most Member States set this between 14 and 16 years.
The lowest minimum age is 14 years, set in seven Member States: Austria, Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Portugal. The highest is set at 18 years – in Malta.'



E.U. Agency for Fundamental Rights

[Mozz71]

If one of the "incidents" took place in New York, as is suggested, then the girl was underage (the legal age is 18 there). The legal age in the UK is surely irrelevant in this case, as is our personal opinion.

I'm sure most of this IS about money, but I'm sure the opportunity to get back at those who took advantage of a young woman who was groomed by convicted paedophiles is also a consideration for her.

[Khandro]

mozz //If one of the "incidents" took place in New York, as is suggested, then the girl was underage (the legal age is 18 there).//

No it's 17, but has only recently been raised to 18

"Statutes governing New York's age of consent, associated criminal charges, available defenses, and penalties for conviction. In New York, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 17), even if the sex is consensual."

[Peter Pedant]

I blame the beeb - fluffy little things not able to distinguish what the issues are

the under age thing has er dimmed with time - any sex was over 16 our age of consent. Irrelevant but the Beeb fluffy hacks missed it - it was 20 1/2 in Liberia or 23 in ouagadougoo ( it isnt)

the application to dismiss was refused ( Friday) - plaintiff in OZ, defendant in London, the locus delicti ( where the kissing took place) in another place, new York not suitable to try the issue. Ct held it was JUST the place

this week - the epstein agreement is unveiled - did Ep pay Giuffre off for ALL claims or only against him , Ep?

Dershowitz got his case dismissed on this by the way

[Peter Pedant]

arent we talking about screwing her in London?

the main case is whether the Randy One is liable for her (G) being trafficked for sex

I think the answer is 'no'

[Hymie]

Soon after Prince Andrew made the claim that (at the time) he had a medical condition which meant he could not sweat – a number of photos of him leaving nightclubs (at around the same time) covered in sweat were published.

[douglas9401]

Word is that his image is used in medical texts to illustrate the link between dryness and obesity.

[Peter Pedant]

whenever StickyBottle writes about sex
I think he should change his name to LickyBottle

headlines like - - - Licky Bottle says Prince doesnt sweat, revelation!

[Barsel]

I suspect the agreement she had with Epstein would be that she would 'entertain' his friends in return for a lavish lifestyle.
Ms Giuffre would not be able to refuse and so she cannot say she was forced to do whatever it is she did if she agreed to it.

[aelmpvw]

// a number of photos of him leaving nightclubs (at around the same time) covered in sweat were published//
i can only assume someone had been clumsy opening a bottle or two of champagne

[Hymie]

Such an agreement to coerce someone to perform criminal activity – would be invalid.

[Barsel]

Hymie, criminal activity. Hasn't it been established this happened when she wasn't underage?

[Hymie]

But if criminal activity was proved in court, Prince Andrew could not use an agreement between the plaintiff and someone else, in which they agreed to commit criminal acts - as a defence.

[Stickybottle]

Peter Pedant
whenever StickyBottle writes about sex
I think he should change his name to LickyBottle

headlines like - - - Licky Bottle says Prince doesnt sweat, revelation!
—-
What on earth are you rambling about now ?
I did not even mention sex
Maybe you have a fixation ?
As for the headline :
HRH claimed he did not sweat
I made no such declaration

Please try and curb your weird fascination over my username
Unless you want to change yours to Perpetual Poppycock ?

[mushroom25]

// But if criminal activity was proved in court, Prince Andrew could not use an agreement between the plaintiff and someone else, in which they agreed to commit criminal acts - as a defence. //

isn't that a bit cart-before-the-horse? wouldn't Prince Andrew declare his defence before conviction, rather than after?

[douglas9401]

He's tried the salt of the earth, man of the people stuff in the interview but has now gone for his default "Do you know who I am?"

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // Good God! this young woman was 17! My Grandmother married at 16 (possibly 15) just before my Grandfather went off to the WW1 trenches of the Somme.
This is all about nothing other than money. //

Now your odious defence of Ms Maxwell turns to an attack on Ms Giuffre.

Do you really think you can compare the manipulation and possible abuse of a vulnerable young woman with the common practice over one hundred years ago, when young women married the men they loved before they went to war, so as to provide some financial security in the event that the men did not return?

Your ability to stretch unconnected scenarios in order to either offer defence for convicted sex offenders, or to try and smear the name of a woman attempting to secure justice for sexual assault, is truly mind-blowing.

It appears that the possible damages she may receive if successful, is what it firing your hostility.

But consider this - the money will not come from the Prince, who will remain financially undamaged by the case, and it is doubtful if any amount of money will ever heal the wounds caused by cynical sexual exploitation of a young woman provided for pleasure by another sex offender.

Where is your much tumpeted Christian charity in any of this?

[poorclare]

What a sad life you lead, nothing better to do.
Remember it is all hearsay. (were you there)
Newspapers and magazines are making a fortune out
of this.
By the way do you know there is a Pandemic ???

Wishing you all a Healthy, Peaceful and Covid19 Free
NEW YEAR