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Bad Night For Labour........
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Against what is supposed to be the worst Government in history, mid term, post crises, Labour's gains outside London are described as, "Modest". OK they won a bauble but that won't get you through the door. If yesterday were repeated in a GE Labour still would not win.
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If anyone is resigning It'll be Rodders.
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If anyone is resigning It'll be Rodders.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Yes, and if Sir Kier goes and is replaced by a fresh faced Blair type? The Tories will be toast.
Too much complacency going on. Nope, the current opposition are a complete shower, but if the Tories are only slightly better you could and up with voter apathy and a labour coalition could get in. Do you want that?
Its not beyond the realms of possibility for labour to get in with an alliance of the SNP for promising a vote on Independance.
Too much complacency going on. Nope, the current opposition are a complete shower, but if the Tories are only slightly better you could and up with voter apathy and a labour coalition could get in. Do you want that?
Its not beyond the realms of possibility for labour to get in with an alliance of the SNP for promising a vote on Independance.
YMB: "Its not beyond the realms of possibility for labour to get in with an alliance of the SNP for promising a vote on Independance. " - I agree with you there, they need Scotland and a deal with the SNP would give them a chance but if Scotland have a referendum on "independence" and leave they are back to square one.
Historically a mid term government will usually not do well in local elections. Voters are aware that what they need in their street is not the same as what is required on the National stage. Watching a buoyant Ed Davey on tv this morning claiming that the Libs were on way to Westminster simply reminded me of David Steel's unwise statement of 'return to your constituencies and prepare for government' - of course you should.
Labour must change their face of Starmer, Rayner et al if they are to stand a hope in Hell of reaching the prize. Ed Davey will be back on the bottom step again with his daft policies. Boris will survive to lead a successful government again I suspect.
Labour must change their face of Starmer, Rayner et al if they are to stand a hope in Hell of reaching the prize. Ed Davey will be back on the bottom step again with his daft policies. Boris will survive to lead a successful government again I suspect.
paul: "Watching a buoyant Ed Davey on tv this morning claiming that the Libs were on way to Westminster simply reminded me of David Steel's unwise statement of 'return to your constituencies and prepare for government' " - yes what a wally, the party that has the word "Democrat" in its title that is anything but! They shot their bolt when Cleggy sold the cow for a handful of magic beans! I do remember the Steel Quote! Hilarious, when ever a part leader tries to take the public for granted they get a rude awakening! Remember Kinnochio 1992! Hilarious!
DH,
The Conservatives were widely tipped to have a bad day yesterday, and they did. Because the spoils were shared between the opposition parties, and Labour didn’t annihilate the Tories, then they had a bad day.
If you deliberately set expectations too high, then of course the result will always disappoint.
The Conservatives were widely tipped to have a bad day yesterday, and they did. Because the spoils were shared between the opposition parties, and Labour didn’t annihilate the Tories, then they had a bad day.
If you deliberately set expectations too high, then of course the result will always disappoint.
DH, for a party aspiring to government labour did very poorly against a battered incumbent. They did ok in London but they are, inexplicably, always pretty strong there. In the wider country they were very under par. Boris will be quietly content that he didn't get more of a beating. If there were a GE tomorrow Labour would still not get a majority.
Westminster has been tory for 58 years, Wandsworth for 43 years. Fickleness was not the reason they didn’t vote Tory this time.
I agree that Labour has a big problem elsewhere. In the North where I live, we are very distrustful of the London centric leadership. They are out of touch with the Labour heartlands, which is precisely why the red wall fell in 2019. Did Labour learn from that? I am not sure they have. Winning 3 London boroughs confirms to many that they are still a London party with little to offer the rest of the country other than a change.
I agree that Labour has a big problem elsewhere. In the North where I live, we are very distrustful of the London centric leadership. They are out of touch with the Labour heartlands, which is precisely why the red wall fell in 2019. Did Labour learn from that? I am not sure they have. Winning 3 London boroughs confirms to many that they are still a London party with little to offer the rest of the country other than a change.
If last night was bad for Labour, what does it constitute for the Conservatives? I am genuinely puzzled.
Explanations welcomed.
certainly
if it bad for X then it must be good for Y
fallacy
Wht was bad for tories and bad for labour - war 3 sep 1939 springs to mind - devalutation 1967 - loss of Sheffield Falkland (*) 1982
unconfuse yourself
(*) dunno why that is in the news - catastrophic loss
Remember the senior army leader who said: in a good going cock up never underestimate the role of sheer incompetence
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Explanations welcomed.
certainly
if it bad for X then it must be good for Y
fallacy
Wht was bad for tories and bad for labour - war 3 sep 1939 springs to mind - devalutation 1967 - loss of Sheffield Falkland (*) 1982
unconfuse yourself
(*) dunno why that is in the news - catastrophic loss
Remember the senior army leader who said: in a good going cock up never underestimate the role of sheer incompetence
[exocet struck whilst S was saying good morning to London]
^^ Once in a while curiosity leads me to look at this astonishing anachronistic journal :
https:/ /mornin gstaron line.co .uk/, I think it is the source of information for the more deranged members of AB.
After which a lie down is called for.
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After which a lie down is called for.