Now Over 18,000 Channel Illegal Immigrants So Far This Year

[Gromit]

We look set to beat last years appalling total of 28,000+

Government policy is failing (has been for 3 years).
Yet the minister over seeing this debacle keeps her job.

Is this problem really unsolvable ?

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "Under her predecessor there were less than 300 channel migrants." - ok what did we do differently then?

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Mozz, "Unfortunately YMB we have no power to remove the ECHR." - well we can excommunicate it's effects and I think we must. It has nothing to do with human rights anyway.

[Zacs-Master]

'we can excommunicate it's effects'

Can we? How?

[ToraToraTora]

ZM we can pass an act of parliament that withdraws us as a signatory. We could then replace it with an act that protects the human rights of the masses rather than a few low life criminal scum.

[Gromit]

I am berating the Rwanda plan because it is a con, a gimmick, a misdirection.
The present policy has let in 57,000 illegal immigrants on Patel’s watch, so it, and she is failing.

The Met police going into ‘special measures’ was a sacking offence for a Home Secretary. Hopefully Truss will show her the door.

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Gromit the Rwanda plan has not been given a chance to work. Similar plans have worked for Australia, Israel et al. It would work if we actually started sending plane loads but your 5C hand wringers and assorted lefties have knobbled it. We need to beef up the legislation so It's not challengeable and then leave the ECHR then implement it properly. Of course there is a much better 100% fool proof way of stopping this but we need France to want to help themselves rather than annoying us but that's another story.

[Gromit]

3T
There is only enough funding to perhaps send about 50 people to Rwanda. Not even going to make a dent in the 57,000 she has let in. It is an expensive con trick.

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rubbish gromit you are in 5C fantasy land again.

[bobbinwales]

Maybe the plans are working aswell as they can.maybe thefivure would be double without the present policy. Who knows. No political party as an idea or the guts to solve it... and the deternination to stop the Rwanda experiment din't help

[Gromit]

3T
As you state, Australia and Israel have had an off shoring policy, so we know what it costs them. And £120 million will rid us of just 50 migrants.

If the 4000 who Israel sent to Rwanda and Uganda, most left and were people smuggled into Europe.

[Gromit]

Number crunching.

Australia’s off shoring cost £1.7 million per person.
So the 57,000+ that Patel has let in so far would cost nearly £97Billion to send to Rwanda :-)

[ToraToraTora]

how can it possibly cost £1.7m per person? What is your source?

[ToraToraTora]

I don't see how that can be, gawd you could by them all a 6 bed house for that much.

[Gromit]

// Australia will spend nearly $812m on its offshore immigration processing system next year – just under $3.4m for each of the 239 people now held on Nauru or in Papua New Guinea. //

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/12/australia-will-spend-almost-34m-for-each-person-in-offshore-detention-budget-shows

[ToraToraTora]

I just don't believe those numbers. How can it possibly be that high? who would do that deal? we could put them up in the Ritz cheaper than that, what is the cost break down?

[Gromit]

The Australians are spending $812m on 239 people.

The Government and Patel have never revealed how many people they will send to Rwanda for £120 million. It is likelt to be not many (if any).

[ToraToraTora]

ok but what on?

[bobbinwales]

Your missing the key point of the australia system and the Rwanda plan...its a deterrent so the numbers actually sent are low because its a success.. so the cost pè person sent are not a important measure of success

[ToraToraTora]

If it's £1.7m per person why would anyone do that deal? What is that paying for?

[bobbinwales]

Your a bright poster gromit and normally speak alot of sense and far reasonable than fatticus and gulliver ...but sometimes you choose to overlook key points or misquote things like on your Albania posts earlier