Barristers

[Paigntonian]

According to the Beeb junior barristers earn an average of £12,400 a year, a figure I find very hard to believe. Newsnight also says that the government has offered a pay rise of 15 per cent which would 'add £7,000 a year' to their annual salaries. Many on this site will be better mathematicians than I but I can't work those figures out.

[THECORBYLOON]

As far as I'm aware, it's only English and Welsh barristers planning to strike so your suggestion would not work.

[Khandro]

jno //Khandro, did you read your link? It says, in the fourth paragraph
All junior doctors are qualified doctors
exactly as naomi told you.//


And if you read on to the fifth paragraph it says;

*'A junior doctor is any medical graduate who is in further training but not yet qualified to practice independently without supervision.'*

Btw, I know, & have known, lots of medics, both in my family & as friends :0)

[naomi24]

Khandro, that’s because they don’t specialise - which is why they work under supervision. A consultant is a junior doctor until he qualifies in a specific area - and then he ‘consults’ in that area and oversees the other doctors. Ask your family and friends. :o)

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, from Full Fact, October 2017-

"Of the 106,000 doctors in NHS hospitals and community health services in England, 50,000 were junior doctors in June 2017.

All of them are qualified to practice medicine, and some have ten years of practical experience on top of this. So the title “junior doctor” often does not reflect their level of responsibility"

"On top of this, 5,000 of 34,000 GPs were junior doctors in March 2017."

https://fullfact.org/health/what-junior-doctor/

[Khandro]

Corby //All of them are qualified to practice medicine, and some have ten years of practical experience on top of this. So the title “junior doctor” often does not reflect their level of responsibility"//

Before becoming fully qualified, my nephew who is now an eminent highly successful specialist with his own practice in Hamburg, worked as a 'junior doctor', not only was he 'qualified to practice medicine', he worked sometimes through the night in an A&E department of a hospital which was located near two busy Autobahns from which came the victims of often horrendous crashes, whom he patched up & frequently saved the lives of. There was no question that wasn't 'qualified' to do it - he did it!

During this period of a couple of years, he earnt the princely sum of approximately 9€ (equivalent) per hour.

[naomi24]

Khandro, you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say your nephew, as a junior doctor, was qualified to practice medicine, but when you say 'fully qualified' I assume you mean in a specialist area, which is something else entirely. The bottom line is Junior doctors are qualified doctors.

[Khandro]

n. They are qualified doctors, but not in all areas. Why can't you see that?

[naomi24]

I can. I told you that in the first place - as did jno and Corby.

[Sqad]

All very complicated but in my day was quite simple.....as it still is for me.

A qualified doctor was and is a person with a medical degree on the Medical Register. If you are not on the medical register you are not a qualified doctor qualified to practice medicine and surgery.

To become qualified and obtain insertion on the Medical Register, one would have to do 6 months surgery, 6 months medicine directly after gaining your degree and then apply to be registered in the Medical Register.
Pre registration doctors are not "qualified doctors"....post registration doctors are qualified and become Junior doctors.

Why this system has changed I will never know except to say in this flawed NHS it is a matter of "all hands to the pump" medically qualified or not.

[Barmaid]

Well, these barristers are all proper barristers. Once they have done their academic and vocational training and successfully completed their pupillage, they are fully qualified and no further qualifications are necessary.

[Sqad]

A Junior Doctor is today mainly a description used for a doctor working in a hospital of lower than reistrar grade i.e not on a training scheme for his/her intended speciality.

"Junior Doctor" is not a recognized term in General Practice.

[Khandro]

I think Sqad has the last word on that.

Barmaid, //Well, these barristers are all proper barristers. Once they have done their academic and vocational training and successfully completed their pupillage, they are fully qualified and no further qualifications are necessary.//

Then why are they called, 'Junior Barristers' & why the need to claim for better remuneration?

[Barmaid]

All barristers are called junior barristers unless they have taken silk and become a QC.

It does not matter if you have been doing it 6 months or 6 years. At the criminal bar, the brief fee for attending Court is fixed, unfortunately, the rate at which it is fixed combined with the other problems in the CJS means that it is not a living wage.

[naomi24]

Seems to me that more than one profession needs to ditch the term 'Junior'.

[Sqad]

naomi..^^^ LOL.

If I was a barrister I would be embarrased at the shenanigans of these wigged, banner waving professionals.

I feel the same about Junior doctors.