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Channel Migrants: New Records Set
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Good to see the government getting on top of this in Johnson’s last few days, even more records to add to his fitting legacy.
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I hope Truss has been spending her free time on the treadmill, she’s really going to have to hit the ground running.
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I hope Truss has been spending her free time on the treadmill, she’s really going to have to hit the ground running.
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It is tedious to keep raising this.
Ms Truss will be able to do nothing about it; Mr Starmer would be able to do nothing about it; no politician will be able to do anything about it. Unless, that is, all of these four things occur:
1. The government must order that all rubber boats that enter UK waters without leave to do so are prevented from landing.
2. The government must repeal the UK's Human Rights Act.
3. The government must repeal (or at least drastically modify) the Modern Slavery Act.
4. The government must withdraw the UK as a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
(1) should see most of the current method of illegal arrival ended.
(2), (3) and (4) would make it easier to deport those who do arrive here by whatever method.
No government nor any opposition has any intention of doing any of these things. They may bleat and make noises; the opposition will blame the government, but if asked to vote in favour of those four measures they would certainly oppose them.
So the electorate can only conclude that UK governments - past, present and future - are perfectly happy to see this situation endure.
That being the case, it would be far better if they simply said so instead of bleating on about the problems we face. In fact, as I have said previously, it would be better if they simply chartered a weekly ferry so that the new arrivals could travel in comfort, free of charge, to begin their new lives here. When enough young single men have arrived to cause a serious gender imbalance perhaps the problem may be taken more seriously. But until then, far better to allow the RNLI to get on with the task it was set up for - to rescue those who get into trouble at sea through little or no fault of their own. Meanwhile the Border Farce can be redeployed to Gatwick to check arrivals for contraband booze and fags, with their "cutters" being sold off to help pay the cost of chartering the weekly ferry.
//We were promised Brexit would solve this problem.//
//Can you justify your claim canary...asking for a freind//
The answer to that (if it was addressed) would be "no" because no such promise was made. Brexit promised to allow the UK to choose which EU citizens were allowed to settle and work here legally. This has been achieved. The people arriving in rubber boats are not EU citizens and they settle (and very often work) here illegally.
Ms Truss will be able to do nothing about it; Mr Starmer would be able to do nothing about it; no politician will be able to do anything about it. Unless, that is, all of these four things occur:
1. The government must order that all rubber boats that enter UK waters without leave to do so are prevented from landing.
2. The government must repeal the UK's Human Rights Act.
3. The government must repeal (or at least drastically modify) the Modern Slavery Act.
4. The government must withdraw the UK as a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
(1) should see most of the current method of illegal arrival ended.
(2), (3) and (4) would make it easier to deport those who do arrive here by whatever method.
No government nor any opposition has any intention of doing any of these things. They may bleat and make noises; the opposition will blame the government, but if asked to vote in favour of those four measures they would certainly oppose them.
So the electorate can only conclude that UK governments - past, present and future - are perfectly happy to see this situation endure.
That being the case, it would be far better if they simply said so instead of bleating on about the problems we face. In fact, as I have said previously, it would be better if they simply chartered a weekly ferry so that the new arrivals could travel in comfort, free of charge, to begin their new lives here. When enough young single men have arrived to cause a serious gender imbalance perhaps the problem may be taken more seriously. But until then, far better to allow the RNLI to get on with the task it was set up for - to rescue those who get into trouble at sea through little or no fault of their own. Meanwhile the Border Farce can be redeployed to Gatwick to check arrivals for contraband booze and fags, with their "cutters" being sold off to help pay the cost of chartering the weekly ferry.
//We were promised Brexit would solve this problem.//
//Can you justify your claim canary...asking for a freind//
The answer to that (if it was addressed) would be "no" because no such promise was made. Brexit promised to allow the UK to choose which EU citizens were allowed to settle and work here legally. This has been achieved. The people arriving in rubber boats are not EU citizens and they settle (and very often work) here illegally.
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//We were promised Brexit would solve this problem//
/Don't think so. Can you justify your claim canary...asking for a freind/
Hope this enlightens your friend?
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//We were promised Brexit would solve this problem//
/Don't think so. Can you justify your claim canary...asking for a freind/
Hope this enlightens your friend?
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Echoing what NJ has said, Illegal immigrants arriving on British shores has nothing whatever to do with Brexit.
The UK has about 8,00 miles of coastline btw, it's not all about the Channel, what goes on elsewhere, Lord knows.
I would add if I may to N.J's list the crying need within the UK for identity cards, which is commonplace in most civilized countries of the world.
The UK has about 8,00 miles of coastline btw, it's not all about the Channel, what goes on elsewhere, Lord knows.
I would add if I may to N.J's list the crying need within the UK for identity cards, which is commonplace in most civilized countries of the world.
//Hope this enlightens your friend?//
Well it hasn’t enlightened me in the slightest.
The Nigel Farage article makes no mention of Brexit. It simply reinforces one of my four points:
“Whatever idiotic scheme is announced next, Britain will never get a grip on this situation unless we disentangle our nation from the ECHR.”
The politico item only mentions that the UK will take a harsher line on asylum applications (though it was never bound by the EU on this anyway). It makes no mention of stopping illegal arrivals.
The Grauniad article only mentions (legal) free movement of EU citizens. The people being discussed here are not EU citizens.
I cannot see the article from “The Atlantic” at all. I just see the Banner and the top half of a crayon drawing of a Union Jack.
Well it hasn’t enlightened me in the slightest.
The Nigel Farage article makes no mention of Brexit. It simply reinforces one of my four points:
“Whatever idiotic scheme is announced next, Britain will never get a grip on this situation unless we disentangle our nation from the ECHR.”
The politico item only mentions that the UK will take a harsher line on asylum applications (though it was never bound by the EU on this anyway). It makes no mention of stopping illegal arrivals.
The Grauniad article only mentions (legal) free movement of EU citizens. The people being discussed here are not EU citizens.
I cannot see the article from “The Atlantic” at all. I just see the Banner and the top half of a crayon drawing of a Union Jack.
I know you still can’t bear the thought of Boris coming under any more criticism but try this one then Naomi.
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From the link.
/Having pledged to "take back control" of the UK's borders post-Brexit, ministers now acknowledge the ability to deal with aspects of illegal migration has been hampered by the loss of certain arrangements that came with EU membership./
So a Brexit that didn’t really cover all the bases, yet you criticised May for hers, when most now acknowledge it would have been far better than Johnson’s version, which is looking more and more unworkable.
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From the link.
/Having pledged to "take back control" of the UK's borders post-Brexit, ministers now acknowledge the ability to deal with aspects of illegal migration has been hampered by the loss of certain arrangements that came with EU membership./
So a Brexit that didn’t really cover all the bases, yet you criticised May for hers, when most now acknowledge it would have been far better than Johnson’s version, which is looking more and more unworkable.
Has anybody considered that 'control' may be a weasel word referring to the orderly disembarkation of visitors from the host country transport and nothing to do with an actual solution, something that appears to be well beyond the abilities of the inadequate in charge?
If anyone cares to answer the question I'd be grateful if they could park their usual 'what would YOU do about it then' guff as I'm not paid to do government work.
Thank you.
If anyone cares to answer the question I'd be grateful if they could park their usual 'what would YOU do about it then' guff as I'm not paid to do government work.
Thank you.
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naomi24
//most now acknowledge it would have been far better than Johnson’s version//
/Who are 'most'?/
Those in his party who suspected as much from him. Well, all but the ardent admirers….
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//most now acknowledge it would have been far better than Johnson’s version//
/Who are 'most'?/
Those in his party who suspected as much from him. Well, all but the ardent admirers….
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//...ministers now acknowledge the ability to deal with aspects of illegal migration has been hampered by the loss of certain arrangements that came with EU membership.//
I wonder what these "certain arrangements" were? The closest I can see is this:
"When party to the EU's "Dublin arrangements", the UK could ask other countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries on their journey to Britain. That is no longer an option."
It may no longer be an option but the Dublin Agreement was never enforced anyway. It was a sham.
As far as I can see, Brexit has made absolutely no difference to this problem. These people are arriving here by whatever method suits them and this country is doing nothing about it. It has nothing to do with Brexit and nothing to do with the EU (other than the fact that once an illegal migrant plants himself in their ridiculous Schengen Area, he can go wherever he likes within that area). We've not been unable to do anything we used to do pre-Brexit. France would never accept people who arrived illegally from there - with or without the Dublin Agreement - and they still don't.
I wonder what these "certain arrangements" were? The closest I can see is this:
"When party to the EU's "Dublin arrangements", the UK could ask other countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries on their journey to Britain. That is no longer an option."
It may no longer be an option but the Dublin Agreement was never enforced anyway. It was a sham.
As far as I can see, Brexit has made absolutely no difference to this problem. These people are arriving here by whatever method suits them and this country is doing nothing about it. It has nothing to do with Brexit and nothing to do with the EU (other than the fact that once an illegal migrant plants himself in their ridiculous Schengen Area, he can go wherever he likes within that area). We've not been unable to do anything we used to do pre-Brexit. France would never accept people who arrived illegally from there - with or without the Dublin Agreement - and they still don't.
New Judge,
//As far as I can see, Brexit has made absolutely no difference to this problem.//
So what happened to taking back control of our borders that we were promised?
As I’ve said previous:
The French are not keeping to their side of the bargain despite the huge sums we’re sending them.
Round up the illegal migrants daily, put them into landing craft and return them to a French beach because we’ve not been getting the service we paid for.
As for Davebro’s idiotic post, maybe he’ll be brave enough to be the first to open fire? Lol
//As far as I can see, Brexit has made absolutely no difference to this problem.//
So what happened to taking back control of our borders that we were promised?
As I’ve said previous:
The French are not keeping to their side of the bargain despite the huge sums we’re sending them.
Round up the illegal migrants daily, put them into landing craft and return them to a French beach because we’ve not been getting the service we paid for.
As for Davebro’s idiotic post, maybe he’ll be brave enough to be the first to open fire? Lol
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