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and are not happy with JRM’s fracking plans.
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Short on detail, against the evidence and advice of energy experts too but that won’t stop him.
Surely the people of Somerset can see Lord Snooty for the charlatan he is by now?
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Short on detail, against the evidence and advice of energy experts too but that won’t stop him.
Surely the people of Somerset can see Lord Snooty for the charlatan he is by now?
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The Conservatives' 2019 manifesto: “We placed a moratorium on fracking in England with immediate effect. Having listened to local communities, we have ruled out changes to the planning system. We will not support fracking unless the science shows categorically that it can be done safely.”
As far as I'm aware, the science has not changed since 2019. Even if it has, that word "categorically" is troublesome:
> categorically
> adverb
> in a way that is unambiguously explicit and direct.
So no wonder some Tories are up in arms - this is breaking a manifesto promise.
As far as I'm aware, the science has not changed since 2019. Even if it has, that word "categorically" is troublesome:
> categorically
> adverb
> in a way that is unambiguously explicit and direct.
So no wonder some Tories are up in arms - this is breaking a manifesto promise.
"Having listened to local communities, we have decided to ignore them because Russia has invaded Ukraine, and commence fracking even though the science does not show categorically that it can be done safely.” are words that JRM will never utter.
They - or I guess "we", as we'll be the ones paying - better hope that nothing ever goes wrong with a fracking operation, after that promise that it would never be done unless categorically safely.
They - or I guess "we", as we'll be the ones paying - better hope that nothing ever goes wrong with a fracking operation, after that promise that it would never be done unless categorically safely.
We can't meet our energy needs from renewables unless we go for major tidal barrages, and ring the coast with windfarms, both of which have implications for wild life. Eventually nuclear power will be the mainstay but that will take years to meet our needs. What do folk suggest we use as an alternative. Solar isn't reliable enough although sheep and cattle can graze under solar panels and it may help struggling farmers if planning for solar farms was easier to get.
the founder of the UK's first fracking company says fracking won't work here: British geology means the gas is far harder to get at than in the US and no sensible investor will get behind it
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//No problem as long as it's in the north, well away from the Tory shires.
That’s a rather silly remark, JD. The Tories relied heavily on voters behind the “Red Wall” in the north of the country when winning a large majority in the last GE. For example, there is a significant fracking site in Blackpool and both the Blackpool constituencies are Conservative held. Blackpool North & Cleveleys was a Conservative hold, where they polled 57.6% of the votes cast. Blackpool South was a Conservative gain with 49.6% of the votes cast. Protests about the Blackpool fracking site werre instrumental in getting the process banned in 2019 so this U-turn is likely to have an influence on the election in those constituencies.
//The Conservatives' 2019 manifesto: “We placed a moratorium on fracking in England with immediate effect. Having listened to local communities, we have ruled out changes to the planning system. We will not support fracking unless the science shows categorically that it can be done safely.”//
Will you never believe me when I suggest you should not believe a word any politician tells you. This is especially so when they make grand “promises” in their manifestos, at the very time they are garnering for your vote.
That’s a rather silly remark, JD. The Tories relied heavily on voters behind the “Red Wall” in the north of the country when winning a large majority in the last GE. For example, there is a significant fracking site in Blackpool and both the Blackpool constituencies are Conservative held. Blackpool North & Cleveleys was a Conservative hold, where they polled 57.6% of the votes cast. Blackpool South was a Conservative gain with 49.6% of the votes cast. Protests about the Blackpool fracking site werre instrumental in getting the process banned in 2019 so this U-turn is likely to have an influence on the election in those constituencies.
//The Conservatives' 2019 manifesto: “We placed a moratorium on fracking in England with immediate effect. Having listened to local communities, we have ruled out changes to the planning system. We will not support fracking unless the science shows categorically that it can be done safely.”//
Will you never believe me when I suggest you should not believe a word any politician tells you. This is especially so when they make grand “promises” in their manifestos, at the very time they are garnering for your vote.
Anyway, the big question is, what's in it for him?
possibly nothing
didnt the Moggz move all his family loo-loo to Dublin?
(yes, in case someone tries the well known AB thread of - "foo, is it?" to be said in slow whiney AB doubting voice)
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possibly nothing
didnt the Moggz move all his family loo-loo to Dublin?
(yes, in case someone tries the well known AB thread of - "foo, is it?" to be said in slow whiney AB doubting voice)
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some remarkably OK comments here
Tidal energy - expensive - The St Malo project - a de Gaulle pet - never paid for itself and when started 1958 was hailed as a white elephant. de Gaulle went ahead anyway
Russia was a cuddly wuddly gas supplier in 2019.
sad but true
Merkel said - I have been wrong for 20 y
German foreign policy for twenty or thirty y ( ost politik) - was "there is a huge industrial giant to our east. we should be trading and negotiating and not doing war-war"
I felt v sorry for Merkel when she went - 'oops'
Tidal energy - expensive - The St Malo project - a de Gaulle pet - never paid for itself and when started 1958 was hailed as a white elephant. de Gaulle went ahead anyway
Russia was a cuddly wuddly gas supplier in 2019.
sad but true
Merkel said - I have been wrong for 20 y
German foreign policy for twenty or thirty y ( ost politik) - was "there is a huge industrial giant to our east. we should be trading and negotiating and not doing war-war"
I felt v sorry for Merkel when she went - 'oops'
> Will you never believe me when I suggest you should not believe a word any politician tells you.
Oh, I believe you! Like you, I believe that politicians lie. Unlike you, I believe it should be pointed out, over and over again, rather than just accepted. How on earth do you know who to vote for if you don't believe a word that any of them say? It just makes a mockery of the idea that we live in any kind of democracy ... our politics sucks.
Oh, I believe you! Like you, I believe that politicians lie. Unlike you, I believe it should be pointed out, over and over again, rather than just accepted. How on earth do you know who to vote for if you don't believe a word that any of them say? It just makes a mockery of the idea that we live in any kind of democracy ... our politics sucks.
> and will simply sell whatever is extracted at market price, giving the shareholders an undeserved, unearned, bonanza.
They have to do that. Forced by law, no choice in the matter.
> But a windfall tax could correct that.
As it could right now, but our lords and masters have decided against it for some illogical reason ...
They have to do that. Forced by law, no choice in the matter.
> But a windfall tax could correct that.
As it could right now, but our lords and masters have decided against it for some illogical reason ...
Oh, apologies, I thought the point was the windfall tax.
This is all very odd though. If you look at the link in jno's 18:59 post, it won't work here. Also, Kwasi Kwarteng said in February this year: “The UK has no gas supply issues. The situation we are facing is a price issue, not a security of supply issue. Put simply: we have lots of gas from highly diverse and secure sources - but it is very expensive. The wholesale price of gas has quadrupled in UK and Europe. Additional UK production won’t materially affect the wholesale market price. This includes fracking – UK producers won’t sell shale gas to UK consumers below the market price. They’re not charities. Remember: renewables are cheaper than gas. UK renewable capacity is up 500% since 2010 - but way more to do. The more cheap, clean power we generate at home, the less exposed we’ll be to global gas markets.”
Now, what has changed Kwarteng's thinking since February?
This is all very odd though. If you look at the link in jno's 18:59 post, it won't work here. Also, Kwasi Kwarteng said in February this year: “The UK has no gas supply issues. The situation we are facing is a price issue, not a security of supply issue. Put simply: we have lots of gas from highly diverse and secure sources - but it is very expensive. The wholesale price of gas has quadrupled in UK and Europe. Additional UK production won’t materially affect the wholesale market price. This includes fracking – UK producers won’t sell shale gas to UK consumers below the market price. They’re not charities. Remember: renewables are cheaper than gas. UK renewable capacity is up 500% since 2010 - but way more to do. The more cheap, clean power we generate at home, the less exposed we’ll be to global gas markets.”
Now, what has changed Kwarteng's thinking since February?
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