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Even those well known fifth columnists at the Financial Times now realise what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK.
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Old_Geezer
//You didn't miss, just refused to acknowledge it.//
I must have been having 40 winks. Tell me what I missed, seriously.
Like all the others, you can’t, can you?
I’m honest enough to admit that whilst I didn’t vote I was definitely pro Brexit……but nothing of what was projected/promised has materialised, has it?
Where’s the burgeoning economy? Where’s the massive trade deals? Why are we queuing at borders that we’ve ‘taken back control of’?
I can’t see any of those, so list what I’ve not seen during my snooze?
Please?
//You didn't miss, just refused to acknowledge it.//
I must have been having 40 winks. Tell me what I missed, seriously.
Like all the others, you can’t, can you?
I’m honest enough to admit that whilst I didn’t vote I was definitely pro Brexit……but nothing of what was projected/promised has materialised, has it?
Where’s the burgeoning economy? Where’s the massive trade deals? Why are we queuing at borders that we’ve ‘taken back control of’?
I can’t see any of those, so list what I’ve not seen during my snooze?
Please?
OK, TT, I'll spell it out.
The 'will of the people' cliche is often bandied about on AB unquestioningly and without context. The referendum result was: Leave 17,410,742 - Remain 16,141,241. This translates to Leave voters comprising approximately 37% of the overall electorate so it's inaccurate to say most people voted for Brexit as some routinely claim.
More importantly, the majority was extremely narrow so was hardly a mandate for the threatened No Deal or the hard type of Brexit we ended up with. Most voters had little knowledge of, or interest in, what kinds of Brexit were possible and many were swayed by the extra money 'promised' to the NHS. Certainly the Remain campaign was poorly managed, due to Cameron's complacency and incompetence, but surely the issue was much too complex for a simple YES/NO vote.
If the will of the people was really so sacrosanct, shouldn't there have been a further confirmatory vote with the different options clearly explained?
And don't forget the Leave campaign was led by a proven liar who was plotting for his own self-advancement rather than what was good for the country.
So, could we please stop using the meaningless cliche about 'the will of the people'?
The 'will of the people' cliche is often bandied about on AB unquestioningly and without context. The referendum result was: Leave 17,410,742 - Remain 16,141,241. This translates to Leave voters comprising approximately 37% of the overall electorate so it's inaccurate to say most people voted for Brexit as some routinely claim.
More importantly, the majority was extremely narrow so was hardly a mandate for the threatened No Deal or the hard type of Brexit we ended up with. Most voters had little knowledge of, or interest in, what kinds of Brexit were possible and many were swayed by the extra money 'promised' to the NHS. Certainly the Remain campaign was poorly managed, due to Cameron's complacency and incompetence, but surely the issue was much too complex for a simple YES/NO vote.
If the will of the people was really so sacrosanct, shouldn't there have been a further confirmatory vote with the different options clearly explained?
And don't forget the Leave campaign was led by a proven liar who was plotting for his own self-advancement rather than what was good for the country.
So, could we please stop using the meaningless cliche about 'the will of the people'?
indeed… the truth is that people voted leave for reasons that were not just different but completely contradictory! the “will of the people” very quickly split into factions when it got to how we were actually supposed to leave… the majority was an illusory one.
still it is done now and is to all intents and purposes irreversible. We’ve made our bed and now have to lie in it…
still it is done now and is to all intents and purposes irreversible. We’ve made our bed and now have to lie in it…
//Still, if the main benefit of leaving the EU is that we accomplished the aim of leaving, well, it's hard to argue with that :-)//
I didn’t say it was the main benefit. I said it was the principal aim. Quite different. I voted for the aim and I had scant - in fact no - regard for the benefits or disadvantages.
// More importantly, the majority was extremely narrow so was hardly a mandate for the threatened No Deal or the hard type of Brexit we ended up with.//
So I’ll ask the same question as I always do when this topic is raised: if the vote had been 52:48 to remain, would there have been any debate as to the type of “Remain” we ended up with?
This all has a feeling of déjà vu. Still, it makes a change from worrying about who the next Prime Minister will be. :-)
I didn’t say it was the main benefit. I said it was the principal aim. Quite different. I voted for the aim and I had scant - in fact no - regard for the benefits or disadvantages.
// More importantly, the majority was extremely narrow so was hardly a mandate for the threatened No Deal or the hard type of Brexit we ended up with.//
So I’ll ask the same question as I always do when this topic is raised: if the vote had been 52:48 to remain, would there have been any debate as to the type of “Remain” we ended up with?
This all has a feeling of déjà vu. Still, it makes a change from worrying about who the next Prime Minister will be. :-)
