Tying The Yellow Ribbon Even More Tightly

[ichkeria]

Full Russian retreat from N Kherson looks like it’s on.

Bridges blown, flags gone, and Kiril Stremousov, their deputy puppet leader, killed this morning in a “car accident”
Details unclear

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/11/09/breaking-kherson-deputy-head-kirill-stremousov-reportedly-killed-in-car-accident/amp/

Were they waiting for the midterms? ;-)

[ichkeria]

Announcement in Russian media expected as early as this evening: goodwill gesture? ;-)

[Old_Geezer]

""It is very hard for me to say that Kirill
Stremousov died today, he died in the
territory of the Kherson region, moving
in a car that got into an accident," he
said."

So, not killed in a car accident then, but died in a car, that apparently then got into an accident ? Am I wrong to infer he was already gone before the accident ?

[ichkeria]

I think it’s just the translation OG.

Whether his death is directly related to what I think is about to be a big news story in Ukraine - who knows

[ichkeria]

Russian defence ministry has announced a full retreat of 40,000 troops across the Dnipro in Kherson.

I feel a wee beer may be in order :-)

[ichkeria]

And the Beeb now catch up ;-)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

[Peter Pedant]

Itch I dont know how you do this
russian troll mole perhaps - - joke joke
Thing about deporting the civil population ( now down to 50 000) is that it leaves the city free to be flattened by the Butcher of Flat Things - sugarov or whom evva

are the russians going to trap the Ukraine army

[ichkeria]

No.

They can’t. I think there’s been a lot of understandable paranoia about Russian intentions here. They seem to have left military personnel in the city of Kherson who may have been ordered to stay behind to offer resistance but these are evidently some of their least trained troops.
The big news this morning was the blowing of a bridge at a place called Darivka on the Inhulets river - that was a sure sign they were covering their retreat because without that bridge those on the other side are stuffed.

[ichkeria]

What will the troops trapped in Kherson do?
Fight to the death or surrender?

The Russians in theory could then set up and start shelling Kherson city as infinitum. That would be a destructive waste of their resources - but then again thry seem to like that sorry of thing …

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry to be negative but I don't see this as good news. Putin won't want to lose face over this and I fear the alternative might be a worse fate than occupation.

[youngmafbog]

Looking positive, but they do need to be careful not to advance too quickly. The logistics need to keep pace.

Wishing them the best.

[Spicerack]

They might go for a peace treaty now.

[youngmafbog]

Who?

I cant see the Ukrainians going for one. Still unfinished business in Crimea.

[Spicerack]

Sullivan? from the State Department was doing the rounds the other day. Some people think America are looking for the off-ramp.
The Ukrainians had a 'good day' Monday and today, apparently.
We can but hope.
I don't think Crimea has been part of Ukraine since c.1990. (if it ever really was)

[DTCwordfan]

On the BBC News in a few minutes. Well done, the Ukraine Army et al....keep on pushing.

[DTCwordfan]

and as to the Crimea, region the was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha. This was the 'ownership' until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic - the motive for thi being the Russians thanking Ukraine for 300 years of loyalty - well there goes that! Claim it back, boys and gals....

[Peter Pedant]

Sorry to be negative but I don't see this as good news.

yeah but that is a small bit of a larger argument
"dont fight ,you Ukrainians, because if you win, you will get nuked!"

This is an incredz victory isnt it

[Zacs-Master]

I didn't mean to take anything away from the victory, merely point out the potential consequences.

[ichkeria]

There is a lot more to do.
Ukrainian forces will advance slowly.
There’ll be bloody traps, IEDs, pockets of Russian trooos who’ve been abandoned.
There will be bodies to clear up and frankly the whole mess that the occupiers have left.
And for now they’re only retreating behind the Dnipro.
The news is good: it’s merely the inevitable endgame to what’s actually been going on for months. Ukraine has slowly been strangling the forces west of the Dnipro to the extent that it for some while now has been unsustainable to stay there.
The Russians threatened nuclear war.
Nothing happened.
They threatened the ZNPP. You never hear of that now.
They made noises about a “dirty bomb”
Yesterdays news
Blowing up a dam
Not going to happen
They **** with your mind as it’s basically all they can do.
But ****ed is what they are

[Peter Pedant]

no you have missed out the bit where Stalin deports ( internal exile) the Crimean Tatars for collaboration (with the Nazis)
The Germans 1941-5 always seem to pop up somewhere

[Zacs-Master]

Erm.....ok.