Is The Uk Heading Towards A Partial Return To The E/U.

[gulliver1]

Senior members of Sunak's Govt are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss Style agreement with The E.U. Govt sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards an agreement. .... Is this the start of rejoining the E.U..

[gness]

Nice discussing with you, TTT but I'm off now as Gulliver is once again sullying this site.

[ToraToraTora]

gness, You've been a NC for 3 years, you are 40bn Euros up so it made sense for you, well economically at least. Maybe you don't mind being ruled by UFBs if you're getting the dosh.

[ToraToraTora]

gness: "Nice discussing with you, TTT but I'm off now as Gulliver is once again sullying this site. " -sad that he's allowed to troll like this.

[Atheist]

It'll all sort itself out in the end. The losers will complain and claim that they should have another crack because the ref was so badly organised and that there should have been a sensible winning threshold set. The winners will crow about their victory. Farridge will suddenly change his mind about whether or not a 52/48 victory was really a victory (depending on which way it went). Such is life.
The recent winners will claim that there must never be another referendum. The losers will claim that we should be able to vote again.
Ho, hum. We old folks will be dead soon, and our kids will have to sort it out.

[davebro]

The fact is we can all argue as much as we like for as long as we like but there can never be a definitive answer as the "alternative" was not gone through.

Even if the EU were to fail & break up (I don't think it will) some will argue that Brexit caused that.

[Atheist]

ToraToraTora; Could you explain to those here who don't know the Da Vinci Code whether or not NC is meant to be rude?
I know you have vowed never to speak to me again since I called you a rude bully, but others might be interested to understand your PP-like pronouncements.

[New Judge]

//Whenever I point out that The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, TTT rubbishes them as 5C organisations.//

Then have a crack at interpreting the figures I provided, Hymie. They were taken from this document, published in the Commons Library:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/#:~:text=In%20Q3%202022%2C%20the%20UK,Q3%202022%20was%200.4%25%20lower.

//We have been a net contributor for a very long time now,…//

Since 2018, actually, so hardly a "very long time". From 1973 up to 2018 Ireland was a net recipient of over €40 billion in EU funds. The country is now a net contributor and Ireland's average net contribution from 2018-2020 stood at €377 million.

So, €40 billion received over 46 years (€875m a year) and €377m paid out for three years. Not a bad deal. In addition to that, Ireland is expected to receive some €915 million in grants from the EU's Covid recovery fund until the end of next year (thus all but wiping out the contributions made between 2018-20), and the state also received €2.47 billion in loans from a European Commission fund to protect against unemployment risks during the pandemic. And there’s more: Ireland will receive some €1.165 billion in grants from the fund set up to support countries most affected by Brexit.

So yes, you could say that Ireland is a net contributor to the EU budget – if you can find an accountant with enough creativity.

[New Judge]

//...surely it those organisations; The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, who are rubbishing the UK.//

Any views on the figures I published? Or do they not suit your narrative?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, the ROI has been a nett contributor since 2013 as per this link

https://shortest.link/8gm1

[Atheist]

BTW, TTT' I don't want to take advantage of your vow of silence towards me, so I don't expect you to give me a direct response. You can simply address me indirectly by speaking to the room at large.

[sp1814]

Thanks Gulliver1

I completely understand those Brexiteers who argue that this hasn’t been a disaster for the country. No- not wants to be proven wrong.

By the way Gulliver1, a Sunday joke for you in thanks of the BA…

Q. How many Boris Johnson supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?

A. None…He’ll just tell them he’s changed it and then sit around in the dark applauding.

[THECORBYLOON]

For NJ and TORATORATORA, from my link,

"Ireland’s payments to the EU budget in 2018 amounted to €2.5 billion, resulting in a net contribution of €0.7 billion. On a per capita basis, this is equivalent to €148 per person. Ireland is the second highest gross contributor per capita in the EU. Ireland became a net contributor in 2013 and since then (net) payments have increased significantly."

[Atheist]

NJ; I thought you had said that you weren't bothered about the economic repercussions from Brexit, you were simply seeking that we no longer belong to the 'club'. Shouldn't you stick to that line, rather than start arguing economic gains or losses?

[New Judge]

//... the ROI has been a nett contributor since 2013 as per this link//

Not according to this, they haven't, Corby:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1025/1255818-eu-auditors-report/

Nor this:
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/about-us/benefits-eu-membership-ireland_en

[sp1814]

The OBR has crunched the numbers. And the UK is worse off out of Europe by 4% over the coming years (that’s the impact on the economy).

Brexit has NOT been beneficial financially for the country. The new trade deals have not happened.

George Eustice is now on record saying that the Australia deal (on which he worked) was bad for the UK.

In no way should we even contemplate a return to membership. That would be undemocratic - however every Leaver should be made to understand that they made a mistake which future generations will have to live with.

They balls-up.

And they were warned.

[CoolBritannia]

Reading these threads it seems the rule and instruction submissive moaning Remainer's really do not have a clue what is going on.

[ToraToraTora]

sp, economics is not the only consideration.

[Atheist]

Cool; your post didn't make sense; maybe predictive text problem. Could you perhaps re-type?

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, my quote is from the Annual Report on Ireland's Transactions With The EU In 2018 which was produced in 2020 by the Irish Department of Finance.

[sp1814]

TTT

I’m sure you’re right. There’s also the return of sovereignty - being able to make up our own laws.

Which laws would be on your hit list for revocation?

And do you think that whilst this is happening it’ll take everyone’s minds and off the fact that they’re worse off fiscally because they were sold a crock?

And then there’s controlled immigration which would’ve been easier under the Dublin Regulation - but that’s moot now that we’ve left.

But on the upside:

People feel better about the future, we get out blue passports back, we’ll be able to buy spuds in pounds and ounces and we’ll get the crown back on pint glasses.