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Is The Uk Heading Towards A Partial Return To The E/U.
Senior members of Sunak's Govt are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss Style agreement with The E.U. Govt sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards an agreement. .... Is this the start of rejoining the E.U..
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Hymie It's so much worse than that. Remainers had one goal...to remain in the EU. But there are so many different kinds of Leaver. You had those who wants to opt for a soft Brexit, those who wanted a hard Brexit, those who wanted a combination of the two (
14:42 Sun 20th Nov 2022
quite davebro - but good for character interpretation/development https:/
Shame this thread degenerated into bilge whilst I was having me dinner. I’ll try to bring it back on track.
//NJ; I thought you had said that you weren't bothered about the economic repercussions from Brexit, you were simply seeking that we no longer belong to the 'club'.//
Correct.
//Shouldn't you stick to that line, rather than start arguing economic gains or losses?//
Not really. People voted to leave for many different reasons. Mine is well known. Some voted to leave on the basis that not too much economic harm would follow. I like to help reassure them when fallacies such as “Brexit has been an absolute disaster for the country…” are bandied about.
//And the UK is worse off out of Europe by 4% over the coming years (that’s the impact on the economy).//
So just a forecast then. Not fact. And a whole 4% “over the coming years”. How many years? Bearing in mind the OBR has difficulty forecasting accurately much beyond the end of next month, why are you so confident of their forecast for a small variation in the economy (bearing in mind it varied in by more than 10% in a few months recently) “over the coming years”?
//…however every Leaver should be made to understand that they made a mistake…And they were warned.//
I made no mistake. I voted for the UK to leave the EU. No warnings were necessary because nothing would have persuaded me to vote otherwise.
//Which laws would be on your hit list for revocation?//
You misunderstand. I care not a jot if none of the EU rules which are now part of UK law is repealed. The important thing is that the UK Parliament can do so if it wants to. You have made the unfortunate mistake of comparing the entirety of Brexit to a profit and loss account. You want to quantify every aspect of it to one side or other of the balance sheet. That is not why many people voted to leave. It’s certainly not why I did. I voted to leave in order to see the UK’s membership of the EU ended. Nothing else really mattered. Consequently nothing that happens in the future as a result – good or bad – really matters either.
//NJ; I thought you had said that you weren't bothered about the economic repercussions from Brexit, you were simply seeking that we no longer belong to the 'club'.//
Correct.
//Shouldn't you stick to that line, rather than start arguing economic gains or losses?//
Not really. People voted to leave for many different reasons. Mine is well known. Some voted to leave on the basis that not too much economic harm would follow. I like to help reassure them when fallacies such as “Brexit has been an absolute disaster for the country…” are bandied about.
//And the UK is worse off out of Europe by 4% over the coming years (that’s the impact on the economy).//
So just a forecast then. Not fact. And a whole 4% “over the coming years”. How many years? Bearing in mind the OBR has difficulty forecasting accurately much beyond the end of next month, why are you so confident of their forecast for a small variation in the economy (bearing in mind it varied in by more than 10% in a few months recently) “over the coming years”?
//…however every Leaver should be made to understand that they made a mistake…And they were warned.//
I made no mistake. I voted for the UK to leave the EU. No warnings were necessary because nothing would have persuaded me to vote otherwise.
//Which laws would be on your hit list for revocation?//
You misunderstand. I care not a jot if none of the EU rules which are now part of UK law is repealed. The important thing is that the UK Parliament can do so if it wants to. You have made the unfortunate mistake of comparing the entirety of Brexit to a profit and loss account. You want to quantify every aspect of it to one side or other of the balance sheet. That is not why many people voted to leave. It’s certainly not why I did. I voted to leave in order to see the UK’s membership of the EU ended. Nothing else really mattered. Consequently nothing that happens in the future as a result – good or bad – really matters either.
// Consequently nothing that happens in the future as a result – good or bad – really matters either. //
Why would you pretend not to have a preference between Brexit being an overall success or a failure? I didn’t vote for it but I hope it’s a success because I live and work here - it’s okay to say the same :)
Why would you pretend not to have a preference between Brexit being an overall success or a failure? I didn’t vote for it but I hope it’s a success because I live and work here - it’s okay to say the same :)
This youtube video gives an explanation of what a Swiss style agreement with the EU might look like and how long such an agreement might take to achieve.
The presenter also points out the recent shift in the media and public opinion on Brexit – politicians are being asked ‘Now in our hour of need, isn’t it time to realise some of those Brexit benefits?’ Of course’ our politicians have no answer to this question, as everyone knows, there are no Brexit benefits.
The presenter also points out the recent shift in the media and public opinion on Brexit – politicians are being asked ‘Now in our hour of need, isn’t it time to realise some of those Brexit benefits?’ Of course’ our politicians have no answer to this question, as everyone knows, there are no Brexit benefits.
NJ
The OBR forecasts that Brexit will reduce UK productivity by 4 per cent in the long run. By contrast, its long-term forecast for Covid assumes that the pandemic will reduce UK GDP by about 2 per cent. It is difficult to disentangle the impacts of Brexit and Covid on the UK economy with precision.
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So there you have it - whilst the OBR concludes that it’s difficult to disentangle Brexit from COVID (which makes sense), I see no-one offering any evidence that Brexit has been anything less that an almighty self-inflicted wound that will hang around the necks of the young for generations to come.
After six years we see no sunny uplands. None whatsoever
Instead what Leavers have done is turn 47% of the nation into Cassandras.
And these aren’t the thoughts of a Remoaner”. I 100% accept the democratic principles behind the vote - but I reserve the right to call say, “Told you so” ad lib to fade.
The OBR forecasts that Brexit will reduce UK productivity by 4 per cent in the long run. By contrast, its long-term forecast for Covid assumes that the pandemic will reduce UK GDP by about 2 per cent. It is difficult to disentangle the impacts of Brexit and Covid on the UK economy with precision.
https:/
So there you have it - whilst the OBR concludes that it’s difficult to disentangle Brexit from COVID (which makes sense), I see no-one offering any evidence that Brexit has been anything less that an almighty self-inflicted wound that will hang around the necks of the young for generations to come.
After six years we see no sunny uplands. None whatsoever
Instead what Leavers have done is turn 47% of the nation into Cassandras.
And these aren’t the thoughts of a Remoaner”. I 100% accept the democratic principles behind the vote - but I reserve the right to call say, “Told you so” ad lib to fade.
I don't come on here everyday but when I do I always see the same posters talking about Brexit. I realize how disappointed many were that the UK left the EU but why do they keep bringing it up? I was a remainer myself but I'm over it. Surely it's better to focus on making it work rather than continually crying over losing.
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