'Nurses Using Foodbanks Now'

[bobbinwales]

Bbc headline today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-63992959
Well I want them to get abit more than 4% that the pay body come up with but they allready earn more than me and I dont need foodbanks thanks....so 19%...no chance and I don't believe foodbank stories except in exceptional cases like part timer or trainee or someone with big debts

[david small]

Americans have a crappy system of health care. We have a crappy abused health service. Private health care via health insurance is waiting in the wings. The American insurance conglomerates have long lusted after the ripe apple of the NHS to fall from the tree. Root and branch have been allowed to wither, by indulging incompetence, fraud, laziness, and indifference. Once a great idea, now a walking corpse.

[Khandro]

Snackrite //When you said too much has been doled out by this government
did you mean this?
YOUR MONEY, THEIR PRIORITIES// list follows, 15:13 Fri.

From where did you get those questionable figures?

[bobbinwales]

Stephen Kinloch on radio 4 Any Questions as just revealed that some nurses can't afford to buy food and are having to scavenge leftovers from plates or patients .

[bobbinwales]

Snackrite gets them from where posters like fatticus used to get them.... lines supplied to influences from there controller for them to cut and paste

[Khandro]

The pandemic threw up many heroes and heroines, including supermarket staff, rubbish collectors and a great many people on lower wages than nurses who received far less recognition for their efforts. Now the nurses are demanding a rise of ‘inflation plus 5 per cent’ in place of the 3 per cent recommended by the NHS pay review body: a demand which is so far from reality as to discredit them & their whole claim.

[Khandro]

bob ; //Snackrite gets them from where posters like fatticus used to get them....// I think you are right there, eg. :

ONE Australia return flight £500k = Half a million pounds !! ??
Transporting files in cars £500k = also Half a million !! ??

I could go through others but they will do for now

Perhaps they read (and believe) The Morning Star

[MissTerious2]

/AuthorStephen Kinloch on radio 4 Any Questions has just revealed that some nurses can't afford to buy food and are having to scavenge leftovers from plates or patients/

Ì saw the nurse who said that being interviewed. Nonsense! I think it was the same nurse who said that nurses couldn't afford food to bring a packed lunch in from home and had to go out and buy toast!

[Deskdiary]

So here's an idea, an idea that will be rubbished by our 'angels', lets give them an inflation proof pay rise, so they don't have to rely on foodbanks (NO nurse has to rely on food banks, but let's carry on with the lie), but when inflation reduces, which it will, we reduce their pay.

Yes?

[Untitled]

nurses have seen a real-terms fall in income of just under 10% (in some cases more) over the last ten years… i doubt many people who are judging them would have taken that lying down….

https://fullfact.org/online/september-2020-nhs-pay/

this information predates the current surge in energy prices

rental prices have also gone berserk in the same period because property values have been allowed and encouraged to reach socially harmful levels… when you put all of these things together nurses are having to make do with less than they were 12 years ago… understaffing also means workloads are reaching levels that place patients in danger. the RCN have been warning about these problems for years and the government has simply ignored them or lied about it

i think their demands are completely understandable.

[bobbinwales]

So agree to use a pay review body but then choose to ignore it and ask for 14% more than was recommended?
These things always depend on your starting point - 5 yrs ago, 10 years ago or 20 yrs ago... you can allways find a bassline to suit your case.
Anyway i already said a way forward that involves dropping rediculous demands and flexability and creativaty on both sides.
One thing I dont get.. is it up to the goverment to decide how much to pay or up to NHS managers to decide what they feel they got to pay and can afford

[nicebloke1]

You will never appreciate a nurse, doctor or the NHS until such time you need them.

[Untitled]

i think any profession where earnings have effectively shrunk in the long-term is going to struggle to recruit people and those who stay in it should not take being exploited lying down

[bobbinwales]

//You will never appreciate a nurse, doctor or the NHS until such time you need them.//
Speak for yourself.
But however much we appreciate someone we cant just say yes to whatever they want without thinking of whose gonna pay for it and what will the effects be if others allso say ok 19% for us too please

[nicebloke1]

A lack of trains is not a risk to life, a lack of trained nurses is, and will be. 19% for train workers, I dont think so.

[237SJ]

I was talking to someone (24 year old immigrant) today who works in Retail. Unfortunately his industry isn't unionised. He earns an absolute pittance and gets so much *** from the public. Terrible pay, no sick pay for the first 3 days of sickness. No pension to speak of. Public sector workers don't know how well off they are.

[nicebloke1]

You dont have to study for up to 4 years to be in retail. Not sure how long doctors study for. Plus after all that studying, you are left with a debt to be paid off.

[Khandro]

'The public may have gained the impression (which he wishes to convey) that Mick Lynch of the RMT is the voice of the organised working class.

The truth is not so grand. Mr Lynch, who wraps himself in the same ideological anorak as Jeremy Corbyn, is of Irish descent and a great admirer of James Connolly, the IRA revolutionary and trade union leader. One of Connolly’s obsessions was the unity of all labour in all disputes: “The capitalist cannot be successfully fought … unless we recognise that all classes of workers should recognise their common interests …[so] that an employer engaged in a struggle with his workpeople should be made taboo or tainted, that no other workers should co-operate in helping to keep his business growing…that he should, in effect, be put outside the pale of civilisation, and communication with him should be regarded as being as deadly a crime as correspondence with an enemy in war time.”

This one-out, all-out doctrine is not working for Mr Lynch, not even within the rail industry. The clerical TSSA union settled with Network Rail on Thursday. In an interestingly tetchy interview with Mishal Husain on the Today programme on Wednesday, he dismissed her point that the union Unite had also settled with management by telling her that it has a mere 100 members in the industry. This was misleading: Mr Lynch failed to mention that these select few are the electrical control-room operators. If they walk out, no electric train can run.

Besides, although Mr Lynch still commands a majority of those who vote in his union, that support is now declining because of his hard line. If Sir Keir Starmer was still feeling wobbly about not backing Mr Lynch, then the sight of him picketing with Mr Corbyn this week will have settled that question. If Rishi Sunak fears that Mr Lynch has the backing of the floating voter on the 7.45, he should reconsider.'

[Khandro]

Sorry wrong thread (but interesting)

[nicebloke1]

I thought this OP was about nurses. But get it Khandro.

[Deskdiary]

"Stephen Kinloch on radio 4 Any Questions as just revealed that some nurses can't afford to buy food and are having to scavenge leftovers from plates or patients."

I just simply do not believe this.

I've just seen some footage from the picket lines, and judging by the size of most of them, they ain't going without. There were more fat ones than normal sized ones.