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Brexit Is About To Get Much, Much Worse For Uk Citizens
If you thought the continuing loss of billions of pounds in tax to the exchequer (and even more to the UK economy as a whole) as a direct result of Brexit is bad; you ain’t seen nothing yet.
The ‘EU law revocation and reform bill’ which has already passed two votes on the House of Commons (and despite not having passed into law yet), is due to take effect at the end of next year.
The bill proposes the loss of a host of rights, freedoms and protections of ordinary people; amongst them the right to annual paid leave, the right of women to equal pay for doing the same work as men and many, many more rights UK citizens have enjoyed for years as a result of being members of the EU.
I don’t recall the loss of these rights being plastered on the side of a red bus during the referendum debate – but that’s what you fools voted for.
The ‘EU law revocation and reform bill’ which has already passed two votes on the House of Commons (and despite not having passed into law yet), is due to take effect at the end of next year.
The bill proposes the loss of a host of rights, freedoms and protections of ordinary people; amongst them the right to annual paid leave, the right of women to equal pay for doing the same work as men and many, many more rights UK citizens have enjoyed for years as a result of being members of the EU.
I don’t recall the loss of these rights being plastered on the side of a red bus during the referendum debate – but that’s what you fools voted for.
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i am quite grateful to hymie for continuing to point out the substantial costs of brexit... too often people simply ignore them or pretend they don't exist and they have been doing so since the referendum in 2016... unfortunatel
10:17 Sat 31st Dec 2022
//You seem to be very easily taken-in Hymie, gullible even.//
You could say that. But it makes for good entertainment.
I suppose this makes a change from the £80billion argument. Let’s, for the moment, just concentrate on the equal pay for women aspect:
// The EU derived/retained legislation that is being revoked by the Bill gives women the right to equal pay.//
It may have done in some of the EU member nations. I wouldn't know and don't particularly care. Meanwhile, here in the UK, the “Equal Pay Act” was enacted on 29th May 1970 – fully two years before the UK joined the EU. Here’s a link to that Act:
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And here’s an extract from it’s opening paragraphs:
“An Act to prevent discrimination, as regards terms and conditions of employment, between men and women.”
So, how can I put this without letting you down too much (but beware of the spoiler alert):
That (UK) Act is still in force; it was introduced before this country joined the EU; it has nothing to do with the EU; whatever laws the EU had on equal pay is completely irrelevant to equal pay for women in the UK; the EU had nothing to do with providing that protection; whether or not the EU law is repealed, retained or sent to the moon by Royal Mail will not alter the right that women have for equal pay here in the UK.
//Where does it say in the Bill that women’s rights to equal pay (that are to be removed under the revoked EU derived/retained legislation) are to be retained?//
It doesn’t have to (see above).
I haven’t checked any of the other aspects of citizens rights which you believe are to be swept away under the plan you mention (nor am I going to bother). I imagine there are similar protections in place for them. I say this because, incredible as it may seem, this country had quite a good record of protecting the rights of its people long before the EU stuck its grubby hands into our affairs, and it will almost certainly maintain that record now we have left.
I'm not usually so blunt but, to sum up, you’re talking a load of cobblers. If you do some similar simple research as I have on the other aspects of the rights that the EU allegedly provided to look after us all, you will probably be similarly surprised. When reading legislation you must not read it in isolation; you have to read it alongside anything else that may influence the issue. But I don't suppose you will do that.
Do I get the "Best Answer"? No, thought not! :-)
You could say that. But it makes for good entertainment.
I suppose this makes a change from the £80billion argument. Let’s, for the moment, just concentrate on the equal pay for women aspect:
// The EU derived/retained legislation that is being revoked by the Bill gives women the right to equal pay.//
It may have done in some of the EU member nations. I wouldn't know and don't particularly care. Meanwhile, here in the UK, the “Equal Pay Act” was enacted on 29th May 1970 – fully two years before the UK joined the EU. Here’s a link to that Act:
https:/
And here’s an extract from it’s opening paragraphs:
“An Act to prevent discrimination, as regards terms and conditions of employment, between men and women.”
So, how can I put this without letting you down too much (but beware of the spoiler alert):
That (UK) Act is still in force; it was introduced before this country joined the EU; it has nothing to do with the EU; whatever laws the EU had on equal pay is completely irrelevant to equal pay for women in the UK; the EU had nothing to do with providing that protection; whether or not the EU law is repealed, retained or sent to the moon by Royal Mail will not alter the right that women have for equal pay here in the UK.
//Where does it say in the Bill that women’s rights to equal pay (that are to be removed under the revoked EU derived/retained legislation) are to be retained?//
It doesn’t have to (see above).
I haven’t checked any of the other aspects of citizens rights which you believe are to be swept away under the plan you mention (nor am I going to bother). I imagine there are similar protections in place for them. I say this because, incredible as it may seem, this country had quite a good record of protecting the rights of its people long before the EU stuck its grubby hands into our affairs, and it will almost certainly maintain that record now we have left.
I'm not usually so blunt but, to sum up, you’re talking a load of cobblers. If you do some similar simple research as I have on the other aspects of the rights that the EU allegedly provided to look after us all, you will probably be similarly surprised. When reading legislation you must not read it in isolation; you have to read it alongside anything else that may influence the issue. But I don't suppose you will do that.
Do I get the "Best Answer"? No, thought not! :-)
Oh dear Hymie. You really have got yourself into a pickle over this.
Firstly; Given that there will be some exceptions, an extended sunset period up til 2026 will be allowed to iron out such issues.
Otherwise, come the sunset date i.e., end of 31st December 2023, there will be no place for EU laws on the UK statute book.
Secondly; Presently, retained direct EU legislation takes priority over domestic UK legislation. The ‘EU law revocation and reform bill' will
reverse the order of priority & take effect 00.00.01 (hrs.mins.secs) on the 1st January 2024.
Thirdly; Between now and the sunset date, Govt deparments and the devolved administrations (Scotland, Wales & NI) will pore over which retained EU laws can expire, and those to be preserved and assimilated into UK law.
Thus on the point of women not qualifying for equal pay is in all probability fallacious.
The consequences were this government to repeal 'equal pay for women', would be a Tory party plunged into the political wilderness for a very long time.
Firstly; Given that there will be some exceptions, an extended sunset period up til 2026 will be allowed to iron out such issues.
Otherwise, come the sunset date i.e., end of 31st December 2023, there will be no place for EU laws on the UK statute book.
Secondly; Presently, retained direct EU legislation takes priority over domestic UK legislation. The ‘EU law revocation and reform bill' will
reverse the order of priority & take effect 00.00.01 (hrs.mins.secs) on the 1st January 2024.
Thirdly; Between now and the sunset date, Govt deparments and the devolved administrations (Scotland, Wales & NI) will pore over which retained EU laws can expire, and those to be preserved and assimilated into UK law.
Thus on the point of women not qualifying for equal pay is in all probability fallacious.
The consequences were this government to repeal 'equal pay for women', would be a Tory party plunged into the political wilderness for a very long time.
Reece-mogg wants this Bill pushed through before the end of next year, if this comes to fruition let’s see how many of those rights that would otherwise be lost, are enacted into UK law.
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// Reece-mogg wants this Bill pushed through before the end of next year //
Rees-Mogg is right when he says, 'We need to get on with it.'
Else...
Excerpt taken from the article;
Quote... 'We need to settle this by the 2023 deadline otherwise Labour will use this at the next election and create all sorts of stories about how we intend to scrap workplace rights and environmental regulations...' Unquote.
The same kind of stories Hymie, that you would have this board believe!
Rees-Mogg is right when he says, 'We need to get on with it.'
Else...
Excerpt taken from the article;
Quote... 'We need to settle this by the 2023 deadline otherwise Labour will use this at the next election and create all sorts of stories about how we intend to scrap workplace rights and environmental regulations...' Unquote.
The same kind of stories Hymie, that you would have this board believe!
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//As I understand it, the 'Equal Pay Act 1970' was repealed by the 'Equality Act 2010'.//
Yes, thanks, zebu (and Zacs). I'd looked through the "repeals and revocations" provided by that Act, assuming that it superceeded the Equal Pay Act, but didn't catch it (which is a surprise because it is the second one mentioned). It is quite obvious that UK legislation provides for equal pay and that repealing the EU Act that does the same will not alter that. I'm simply amazed that someone who is supposed to take an interest in these things is so gullible (or perhaps thinks everybody else is) as to believe that the EU is the only organisation that is capable of looking after people's rights.
//...if this comes to fruition let’s see how many of those rights that would otherwise be lost, are enacted into UK law.//
Tell us which "Rights" you are still concerned about, Hymie, and we'll try to put your mind at rest. But I have to say, if you seriously believe that only the EU can provide UK citizens with their rights and freedoms, I really wonder why you live here. If I had such a fear I would up sticks.
Yes, thanks, zebu (and Zacs). I'd looked through the "repeals and revocations" provided by that Act, assuming that it superceeded the Equal Pay Act, but didn't catch it (which is a surprise because it is the second one mentioned). It is quite obvious that UK legislation provides for equal pay and that repealing the EU Act that does the same will not alter that. I'm simply amazed that someone who is supposed to take an interest in these things is so gullible (or perhaps thinks everybody else is) as to believe that the EU is the only organisation that is capable of looking after people's rights.
//...if this comes to fruition let’s see how many of those rights that would otherwise be lost, are enacted into UK law.//
Tell us which "Rights" you are still concerned about, Hymie, and we'll try to put your mind at rest. But I have to say, if you seriously believe that only the EU can provide UK citizens with their rights and freedoms, I really wonder why you live here. If I had such a fear I would up sticks.
NJ – if you take a look at the EU Directives, virtually all of them have the underlying purpose of protecting EU citizens, not promoting the interests of big business.
As a result of Brexit, besides the ongoing loss of billions of pounds in tax revenue and to the UK economy as a whole – we are going to lose many of those protections offered by the laws that were enacted in the UK, in compliance with those Directives.
Besides the enormous economic cost of Brexit, there is yet to come the loss of many rights we enjoyed as EU citizens.
As time goes by, besides educating ABers on the massive ongoing economic cost to the UK as a direct result of Brexit – in the not too distant future, I shall be listing the rights UK citizens have lost through voting for Brexit.
As a result of Brexit, besides the ongoing loss of billions of pounds in tax revenue and to the UK economy as a whole – we are going to lose many of those protections offered by the laws that were enacted in the UK, in compliance with those Directives.
Besides the enormous economic cost of Brexit, there is yet to come the loss of many rights we enjoyed as EU citizens.
As time goes by, besides educating ABers on the massive ongoing economic cost to the UK as a direct result of Brexit – in the not too distant future, I shall be listing the rights UK citizens have lost through voting for Brexit.
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