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Hymie | 23:22 Wed 01st Feb 2023 | News
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Remember the Brexiteers falsely claiming that our Covid vaccine response/roll-out was so much better than that in Europe because of Brexit – when asked to list a Brexit benefit three years on, they are repeating this lie.

Why are the Brexiteers not being called out in the main stream media for this blatant lie?



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11700749/Boris-Johnson-says-Brexit-saved-lives-interview-Dorries-new-TV-show.html
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The head of the MHRA said EU legislation had been used when rolling out the vaccine in advance of other EU countries.
//YMB, do you agree the UK had the authority to roll-out the vaccine when it did, regardless of being within or outwith the EU?//

No, firstly because it was never tested (rolling out within the EU) so we will never know and secondly for the reason OG states.
Hymie, are you Steve Bray by any chance?
We know. That alters nothing. We did our own thing because we weren't stuck in 'solidarity' with the EU member nations. It's not that difficult to understand.
^That to Corby.
Seems it is for the pedants Naomi.
Convenient, ymb, however irrational.
This in/out scenario is going to play out for years isn't it? I don't know what benefits have been gained from being out of the EU. The vaccine? Hmm. Not convinced. But I'm not a remainer. I didn't vote.
"Member States may temporarily authorise the distribution of an unauthorised medicinal product in response to the suspected or confirmed spread of pathogenic agents, toxins, chemical agents or nuclear radiation any of which could cause harm."

Article 5(2) of Directive 2001/83/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 6 November 2001 on the Community code relating to medicinal products for human use.
Corby, I repeat. We know. It alters nothing.
You know yet you appear not to understand.
Corby, I understand that we weren't part of the group who were required to show 'solidarity' and therefore we were able to do our own thing. Why can't you understand that - or don't you want to?
The EU Directive I quoted from allows EU member countries to take the same action the MHRA did.

Why they chose not to, is up to them.
They chose not to because they are expected to show 'solidarity' - a requirement that we were free of. Your own link told you that, corby.
Do you think there should be some sort of rule that says the OP should be prepared to join in their own question/s rather than just 'lob in' an unfounded statement and then disappear?

I suppose it makes it look like they saw the replies and went 'oooops, got that wrong then' and scuttled off.
Seems it is for the pedants Naomi.
oh dear pedants are such sticklers for facts.

Convenient, ymb, however irrational. - - facts as irrational.
AB a normal day then
EU authorised Pfizer and BioNTech vaccines 21st December 2020:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/first-covid-19-vaccine-authorised-use-european-union

UK did so on 2nd December 2020:

https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj-2022-070344#:~:text=The%20UK%20became%20the%20first,adults%20on%2030%20December%202020.

So much of a cods up did the EU make over its authorisation and procurement processes (and so much of a panic did it get into because of its failures) that it threatened to close the Irish border (one of its “red lines” in the Brexit negotiations, if I recall) to vaccine shipments. This was because the UK had ordered its supplies from Ireland before the EU got its backside into gear and the EU was in danger of being sidelined:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/eus-vaccine-blunder-reopens-brexit-battle-over-irish-border

It was also noticeable that the EU instigated court action against AstraZeneca when it alleged that it had prioritised supplies of the vaccine over those to the EU. AZ argued that the UK contract was signed well before the EU one and that the EU contract stipulated that supplies were subject to its “best efforts” and not guaranteed. It took six months to settle the matter:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210903-eu-astrazeneca-strike-deal-to-settle-vaccine-supply-dispute-out-of-court

Meanwhile the EU turned to Pfizer for its supplies. There is now an ongoing investigation by the EU’s Public Prosecutor’s office into the role played by European Commission’s President, Ursula von der Leyen, in the procurement of the vaccine supplies:

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-union-prosecutor-covid-vaccine-scandal-ursula-von-der-leyen/

There is little doubt that, had the UK still been an EU member, it would have been embroiled in all of this (and more besides). Whilst individual EU members were free to make their own vaccine arrangements, it was quite clear that any doing so would not have been looked on favourably:

// They chose not to because they are expected to show 'solidarity' - a requirement that we were free of.//

Exactly (and in fact, I believe none did).

The EU demonstrably failed in its efforts to secure vaccine supplies in a timely fashion. It's simply not geared up to doing things quickly. Any organisation that manages by committee is bound to find itself hamstrung in these circumstances and the EU in particular, trying to accommodate the needs and demands of 27 disparate nations is bound to suffer.

There are no lies in Mr Johnson's contentions.
Bang on judge, yet still the 5C side with the EUSSR.
NJ, had the UK not left the EU, would there have been any legal barriers preventing the action actually taken by the UK?
//NJ, had the UK not left the EU, would there have been any legal barriers preventing the action actually taken by the UK?//

Apparently not, Corby. However...

As I said (and as has been cited) the EU expected its members to show solidarity with each other by waiting for the EU approval and procurement process to take its course.

As far as legality (of unilateral procurement) goes, Ms von der Leyen gave a somewhat different impression:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/11/brussels-appeals-for-vaccine-solidarity-across-member-states

"Von der Leyen had insisted last week that unilateral efforts would not be in line with the EU’s vaccine strategy designed to ensure that every member state is covered."

“It’s legally binding,” she had said. “We have all agreed, legally binding, that there will be no parallel negotiations, no parallel contracts … We’re all working together.”

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if the UK had remained in the EU it would not have attempted its own approval and procurement processes. In the very unlikely event that it did, it would have been "persuaded" to toe the party line. The result of that would have been a considerable delay in the vaccine rollout in the this country.

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