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Eu 'Rejoiners Debate
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Archibalby, as far as I’m aware I’m the only person documenting Brexit benefits (so it’s not true that there are none); here is my current list (as endorsed by Boris, Reece-mogg and others)
Brexit Benefits (so far)
- Blue passports
- The Crown Mark on pub glasses
- Mobile phone companies able to make roaming charges
(when using your phone in mainland Europe)
- Killing our honey-bees with EU banned pesticides
- Not having to insure ride-on lawnmowers (and other self-powered vehicles) used on private land
- Signage within Dartford tunnel spaced at yardage distances (in round numbers)
- The freedom to release as much raw sewage as we like into our rivers and coastal waters (and doing so), without fear of being prosecuted by the European Commission
- Un-capped bonuses permitted to be paid to our bankers
- Not having to declare millions of pounds you have in secret off-shore tax havens
With regards the first two benefits - these were announced by Boris Johnson, but Buenchico has claimed that there was nothing stopping the UK having blue passports or the crown mark on pub glasses while we were in the EU. So you have to ask yourself who do you believe, Boris Johnson or Buenchico?
The third benefit is only applicable if you are the CEO of a mobile phone company.
The signage within Dartford tunnel benefit was announced by Reece-mogg.
The last time our bankers were encouraged to make risky investment decisions, it cost the UK tax payer the order of £33 billion, so might not turn out to be a benefit after all.
There is another Brexit benefit in the offing if the EU revocation bill passes into law; and that is you will no longer be legally required to pay your staff holiday pay.
Brexit Benefits (so far)
- Blue passports
- The Crown Mark on pub glasses
- Mobile phone companies able to make roaming charges
(when using your phone in mainland Europe)
- Killing our honey-bees with EU banned pesticides
- Not having to insure ride-on lawnmowers (and other self-powered vehicles) used on private land
- Signage within Dartford tunnel spaced at yardage distances (in round numbers)
- The freedom to release as much raw sewage as we like into our rivers and coastal waters (and doing so), without fear of being prosecuted by the European Commission
- Un-capped bonuses permitted to be paid to our bankers
- Not having to declare millions of pounds you have in secret off-shore tax havens
With regards the first two benefits - these were announced by Boris Johnson, but Buenchico has claimed that there was nothing stopping the UK having blue passports or the crown mark on pub glasses while we were in the EU. So you have to ask yourself who do you believe, Boris Johnson or Buenchico?
The third benefit is only applicable if you are the CEO of a mobile phone company.
The signage within Dartford tunnel benefit was announced by Reece-mogg.
The last time our bankers were encouraged to make risky investment decisions, it cost the UK tax payer the order of £33 billion, so might not turn out to be a benefit after all.
There is another Brexit benefit in the offing if the EU revocation bill passes into law; and that is you will no longer be legally required to pay your staff holiday pay.
Hymie: The logic goes that although we have a post-Brexit trade deal with the Faroe Islands a Brexit benefit is that we could suspend it if we wanted to to force political change. If we were still in the EU with the EU trade deal we couldn't suspend it, even though it's not going to be suspended.
It's this ability to be able to do things we aren't going to do that some people call sovereignty.
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It's this ability to be able to do things we aren't going to do that some people call sovereignty.
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//The loss of £115 billion in export trade…//
At the risk of returning this thread to rational debate, here’s the UK’s export figures for the last seven years (figures in £bn):
2016: £297.6 (Goods) £275.3 (Services) = £572.9 (Total)
2017: £337.6 + £301.9 = £639.5
2018: £350.4 + £323.5 = £673.9
2019: £363.5 + £336.2 = £699.7
2020: £307.2 + £309.6 = £616.8
2021: £323.6 + £330.7 = £654.3
2022: £407.8 + £395.0 = £802.8
So, a steady increase before the pandemic and a considerable increase in 2022 (some, no doubt caused by 10% inflation).
And there’s more. These are the percentage increases in export values over the past 12 months:
UK Exports to the EU £330.2 (+24.8%)
UK Exports to the non-EU £447.4 (+23.5%)
So, is this £115bn you mention an annual figure, a cumulative figure or what? If it has materialised would it have increased the 2022 figure to £917bn?
These figures do not come from some geezer on YouTube but from the latest ONS report here:
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When the UK joined the EEC fifty years ago, the members then (nine after the UK joined) were responsible for 20% of the world’s economy. Now, with 27 members, it is 8% and falling. Despite being a member of the Single Market and Customs Union the UK’s value of exports to the EU (adjusted for inflation) has barely changed in 20 years. Four times as much export growth came from UK sales to outside the EU as to within it. The OECD suggests that more than 90% of the world’s economic growth with come from outside the EU.
So after you’ve sorted out what the £115bn you mention means, perhaps you could tell us why should the UK be particularly concerned with its trade with a diminishing, over regulated trading bloc when the opportunities are so much greater elsewhere.
//If every one of the claimed 29% of SNP voters who voted Leave had voted Remain, would the overall vote have changed to Remain?//
Probably not. If half of the Scots who voted to leave (a reasonable approximation of the SNP voters who chose leave) had voted to remain the result would have been 16,901,581 Leave against 16,650,402 to Remain.
At the risk of returning this thread to rational debate, here’s the UK’s export figures for the last seven years (figures in £bn):
2016: £297.6 (Goods) £275.3 (Services) = £572.9 (Total)
2017: £337.6 + £301.9 = £639.5
2018: £350.4 + £323.5 = £673.9
2019: £363.5 + £336.2 = £699.7
2020: £307.2 + £309.6 = £616.8
2021: £323.6 + £330.7 = £654.3
2022: £407.8 + £395.0 = £802.8
So, a steady increase before the pandemic and a considerable increase in 2022 (some, no doubt caused by 10% inflation).
And there’s more. These are the percentage increases in export values over the past 12 months:
UK Exports to the EU £330.2 (+24.8%)
UK Exports to the non-EU £447.4 (+23.5%)
So, is this £115bn you mention an annual figure, a cumulative figure or what? If it has materialised would it have increased the 2022 figure to £917bn?
These figures do not come from some geezer on YouTube but from the latest ONS report here:
https:/
When the UK joined the EEC fifty years ago, the members then (nine after the UK joined) were responsible for 20% of the world’s economy. Now, with 27 members, it is 8% and falling. Despite being a member of the Single Market and Customs Union the UK’s value of exports to the EU (adjusted for inflation) has barely changed in 20 years. Four times as much export growth came from UK sales to outside the EU as to within it. The OECD suggests that more than 90% of the world’s economic growth with come from outside the EU.
So after you’ve sorted out what the £115bn you mention means, perhaps you could tell us why should the UK be particularly concerned with its trade with a diminishing, over regulated trading bloc when the opportunities are so much greater elsewhere.
//If every one of the claimed 29% of SNP voters who voted Leave had voted Remain, would the overall vote have changed to Remain?//
Probably not. If half of the Scots who voted to leave (a reasonable approximation of the SNP voters who chose leave) had voted to remain the result would have been 16,901,581 Leave against 16,650,402 to Remain.
NJ, I already knew the answer to my question which is why I asked it of YNNAFYMMI.
She has said it's her birthday to-morrow and she'll be sixty-three. Given that she clearly has problems with the maths, I am hoping she gets a calculator as a present so she can use it to work out the answer to my question.
She could also use it to confirm her age.
Regarding your, "If half of the Scots who voted to leave (a reasonable approximation of the SNP voters who chose leave) had voted to remain..." as the claim was about 29% of SNP voters voting Leave, since when has it been reasonable to approximate that as being 50%?
She has said it's her birthday to-morrow and she'll be sixty-three. Given that she clearly has problems with the maths, I am hoping she gets a calculator as a present so she can use it to work out the answer to my question.
She could also use it to confirm her age.
Regarding your, "If half of the Scots who voted to leave (a reasonable approximation of the SNP voters who chose leave) had voted to remain..." as the claim was about 29% of SNP voters voting Leave, since when has it been reasonable to approximate that as being 50%?
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