From One Of There Own...

[gulliver1]

Sir Alan Duncan..Says..The Conservative Party is on the edge of Oblivion.
The Brexit Purists need to appreciate that the Cons are on their way to oblivion and any further internal division will push them over the edge.
....I like Sir Alan. Hope he is correct.

[david small]

Gulliver1, you must have a permanent nasty taste in your mouth.

[Gromit]

I remember during the Thatcher era it was said Labour would never see power again - until they won a massive landslide.
Clearly the Conservative Party today are in a bad place and unelectable. But they will be back. They may even avoid oblivion in the next year, but the signs aren’t encouraging.

[Old_Geezer]

It is hardly the Brexit supporters that need to appreciate that division is detrimental to the party, but those subjects of the WEF who are apparently unable to cope without the EU telling them what they have to do, that need to reconsider their actions.

One apparently needs to remind some here that the country wisely supported Brexit, so the government are honour bound to tie up any loose ends remaining and caused by outside influences during this transition period.

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit: "I remember during the Thatcher era it was said Labour would never see power again - until they won a massive landslide. " - that was Tory Lite, Blair was a Thatcherite. Real Labour cannot win, Sir Beer may once again steal the Tory clothes but I don't think he has time. Wee burney going may help him win some more Scottish seats.

[ladybirder]

Will you shut up about them then G?

[jourdain2]

O_G Unfortunately it seems to be a perennial necessity to give a reminder.

[Gromit]

The Tories have a massive majority.
But victory at the next election looks far from certain.
The party goes from crisis to crisis, and not much sign of recovery.
No ones knows what will happen. Even TTT and his barmy optimism might be on the money.

[ToraToraTora]

Poor older Gromiver! Still dreaming of Labour in no 10. Well over year to go.

[gulliver1]

The big problem for the Tory party at the moment is. They are completely detached from reality and this will will make more and more people vote Labour at the next GE.

[Hopkirk]

I've lost count of the number of times that I've heard Labour and Conservatives are going to be sent into oblivion.
The pendulum just sweeps backwards and forwards.

[Untitled]

I truly hope he is right

the conservatives have nothing policy wise so they are going to spend the next eighteen months whipping up hatred against vulnerable minorities and blaming their failures on them

the Party has always come first for a tory in their long history.... no matter who gets hurt! It's how they've stayed at the top of the game so long

[10ClarionSt]

Well, I definitely want the Tories out, make no mistake, but Gulliver says @ 22.47:
"They are completely detached from reality"

I think all politicians are detached from reality. I've said this for some time. They have no idea what life is like for the ordinary person in this country and that's because they are now career politicians, never having to pay a mortgage, hold down a job, raise children and all that goes with those things. They only think they know, but actually, they're clueless about them.

[bobbinwales]

I hope he's right... they messed up big time.
But untitled sound like your just making that up about there gonna whip up hatred against vunerable minorities. Can you back it up

[Untitled]

It's a prediction so no

[bobbinwales]

But can you give an example of what the vunerable groups might be? Transgenders? Asylum seekers? Nurses? Disabled? Unemployed?

[Untitled]

Migrants especially asylum seekers and transgender people are the most likely targets i think

[naomi24]

Don't get your hopes up. gulliver. The next election might bring a hung parliament but the Conservatives aren't heading for oblivion in the true sense of the word. Sir Alan Duncan is saying that people are sick of those who bang on about Brexit. Perhaps you should take note.

[naomi24]

//the conservatives ....are going to spend the next eighteen months whipping up hatred against vulnerable minorities and blaming their failures on them //

What makes you think they'll do that, untitled?

[Untitled]

consider the two Andersons naomi…

Iain Anderson’s comments after leaving the tory party:

“ The last straw for Anderson, he relates, was Rishi Sunak’s decision to make the culture wars a central plank of the Conservative offering at the next general election. “It was made pretty clear the plan is to run a culture war to distract from fundamental economic failings”, Anderson told the media. “It’s not something I want any part of.” ”

https://www.cityam.com/culture-war-iain-anderson-conservative-party-rishi-sunak/

Lee Anderson after being appointed deputy chairman says the party will focus on “a mix of culture wars and the trans debate”

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/15/lee-andersons-culture-wars-how-the-conservative-party-is-flirting-with-far-right-hate-to-appeal-to-its-base/

it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what they mean by “culture wars”

[naomi24]

Untitled, //…accepted his post as LGBT business champion….That role provided the apparent pivot for him. Last April, he resigned from the unpaid advisory post because of Johnson’s support for women-only spaces, restrictions on trans athletes competing against biological women and the government’s failure to proceed with a ban on “conversion therapy”….. Later that year, he took up the post of chairman of Stonewall….Tories have suggested privately he was furious at the government’s decision to block the Scottish Parliament’s Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, which would have made it easier in Scotland to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate as another sex//

No agenda there then.

//The Conservative Party’s Deputy Chairman, Lee Anderson, has declared that a “mix of culture wars and trans debate” will be at the heart of its next election campaign.//

Personally I welcome debates of that nature. They don't come before time. What's your objection to that?