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Brexit Has Ruined Everything, Everywhere, All At Once
Brexit has ruined everything, everywhere, all at once
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In our reality, this universe, things are now 'multi-worse' in the multiverse.
ABers I did think to put on a quiz, you do like a good quiz it seems..
only problem the answer to every question is - things are worse!!
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In our reality, this universe, things are now 'multi-worse' in the multiverse.
ABers I did think to put on a quiz, you do like a good quiz it seems..
only problem the answer to every question is - things are worse!!
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//Yeah, wot's Brexit ever dun for uz?//
It’s removed us from that well known undemocratic, protectionist racket that is the European Union, 10cs.
//Despite gully's obvious hatred of Boris I don't think he was a determining factor in the vote to leave.//
Most unlikely. During the run up to the referendum Mr Johnson was Mayor of London and lost that post to Sadiq Khan just a month before the vote. I don’t recall him voicing any particularly strong opinion on the referendum one way or another.
// Why anyone would not think the loss of £40 billion in tax revenue to the UK exchequer (as a direct result of Brexit) was not an absolute disaster is beyond me…//
As well it may be because you have a singularly one-dimensional view of EU membership. You’ve only ever bleated on about the effects on the economy, loss of tax revenue and trade etc. etc. Nothing else seems to matter to you. Fortunately those of us with a broader outlook think differently. However, as far as loss of tax revenue goes I believe it is a fundamentally sound advantage of Brexit. Anything that deprives the Exchequer of tax revenue (provided it is legal) is absolutely fine by me. The government has a duty to take as little in the way of tax from its citizens as possible – something which successive governments have spectacularly failed to do in recent years. So the responsibility has been forced on the electorate to make sure they pay as little as possible. £40bn less cash for them to squander can only be a good result.
//…and that loss is in reality minor compared to the other damage Brexit is inflicting on the UK.//
What damage would that be then. As I said, you’ve only ever mentioned economic consequences (many of which have been found to be incorrect). So what else are you referring to? Or do you just mean "changes to the way the UK operates" (the whole point of Brexit) rather than damage?
It’s removed us from that well known undemocratic, protectionist racket that is the European Union, 10cs.
//Despite gully's obvious hatred of Boris I don't think he was a determining factor in the vote to leave.//
Most unlikely. During the run up to the referendum Mr Johnson was Mayor of London and lost that post to Sadiq Khan just a month before the vote. I don’t recall him voicing any particularly strong opinion on the referendum one way or another.
// Why anyone would not think the loss of £40 billion in tax revenue to the UK exchequer (as a direct result of Brexit) was not an absolute disaster is beyond me…//
As well it may be because you have a singularly one-dimensional view of EU membership. You’ve only ever bleated on about the effects on the economy, loss of tax revenue and trade etc. etc. Nothing else seems to matter to you. Fortunately those of us with a broader outlook think differently. However, as far as loss of tax revenue goes I believe it is a fundamentally sound advantage of Brexit. Anything that deprives the Exchequer of tax revenue (provided it is legal) is absolutely fine by me. The government has a duty to take as little in the way of tax from its citizens as possible – something which successive governments have spectacularly failed to do in recent years. So the responsibility has been forced on the electorate to make sure they pay as little as possible. £40bn less cash for them to squander can only be a good result.
//…and that loss is in reality minor compared to the other damage Brexit is inflicting on the UK.//
What damage would that be then. As I said, you’ve only ever mentioned economic consequences (many of which have been found to be incorrect). So what else are you referring to? Or do you just mean "changes to the way the UK operates" (the whole point of Brexit) rather than damage?
Some on the thread seem unaware that Brexit is not the cause of many, possibly any, problems the UK has. EU awkwardness causes many issues, pandemics and war create others, weather/climate issues more again. But the blinkered folk blame everything on their pet peeve hoping to convince the gullible no doubt. It's a bit worrying really, especially when watching what our present politicians are up to, and what they opt deliberately not to do. Let's hope a decent party emerges next GE who will rip up agreements made by traitorous government/parliament and that has the guts to do that which is necessary.
I'm the first to admit I'm very basic on political knowledge but why do those who wish to express their dislike for Boris particularly blame him for Brexit? From my memory it was Cameron who put it to a referendum, surprised him by losing so he resigned and Boris took his place. The country had voted to leave and as new PM Boris had to see it through. It wasn't his idea nor initiative, in fact I thought he was originally a remainer.
He was just carrying out the wishes of the electorate.
He was just carrying out the wishes of the electorate.
//Let's hope a decent party emerges next GE who will rip up agreements made by traitorous government/parliament and that has the guts to do that which is necessary.//
Don’t hold your breath, OG. There is little to choose between the policies of either of the parties likely to form a government after the next election. Both the Conservatives and Labour seemed to have morphed into some kind of centrist Social Democratic party, scared witless to do anything radical in case it upsets anybody. Supporters of both those parties have effectively nobody to vote for. The next government, therefore, will be the same as the last – prepared to simply muddle along, tinkering at the edges, kicking important decisions (such as those needed to reform energy strategy, health and defence) into the long grass. Meanwhile they will content themselves by doling out ever increasingly vast sums of taxpayers’ dosh to people perfectly capable of earning it for themselves and will measure their “success”, not by outcomes, but by how much money they have spent.
This thread demonstrates their indolence and lethargy perfectly: it took the electorate to make the most important decision regarding the UK’s future – that of EU membership. Successive governments kicked the can down the road even though there was a huge groundswell of opinion opposed it. It took the electorate to press for the referendum by voting for UKIP in sufficiently large numbers to threaten the cosy status quo and it took the electorate to express their opinion strongly enough to see us out of that wretched organisation. Left to politicians the question would never have been asked.
//@11.50.All thanks to the English Tories and the Scottish SNPers,gulliver.As i have said previously-"a plague on both their houses"//
You keep saying this, ynnafymmi, and keep asking where it is you got this information from. As far as I know there was no question on the referendum ballot paper asking voters which party they voted for. I can’t speak for Scotland as I try to avoid Scottish politics as far as possible but certainly in England there is strong evidence that many traditionally Labour supporters – especially those behind the “Red Wall” in the north – voted to leave. The reasons they cite for this are many and various but they reinforced their view in 2019 when it was evident that the only way they would see their wishes properly fulfilled would be to switch allegiance and vote Tory. I doubt that allegiance will extend to the current Tory leader and the party next time around.
//From my memory it was Cameron who put it to a referendum, surprised him by losing so he resigned and Boris took his place.
You forgot the unforgettably forgettable Mrs May in between, Prudie.
Don’t hold your breath, OG. There is little to choose between the policies of either of the parties likely to form a government after the next election. Both the Conservatives and Labour seemed to have morphed into some kind of centrist Social Democratic party, scared witless to do anything radical in case it upsets anybody. Supporters of both those parties have effectively nobody to vote for. The next government, therefore, will be the same as the last – prepared to simply muddle along, tinkering at the edges, kicking important decisions (such as those needed to reform energy strategy, health and defence) into the long grass. Meanwhile they will content themselves by doling out ever increasingly vast sums of taxpayers’ dosh to people perfectly capable of earning it for themselves and will measure their “success”, not by outcomes, but by how much money they have spent.
This thread demonstrates their indolence and lethargy perfectly: it took the electorate to make the most important decision regarding the UK’s future – that of EU membership. Successive governments kicked the can down the road even though there was a huge groundswell of opinion opposed it. It took the electorate to press for the referendum by voting for UKIP in sufficiently large numbers to threaten the cosy status quo and it took the electorate to express their opinion strongly enough to see us out of that wretched organisation. Left to politicians the question would never have been asked.
//@11.50.All thanks to the English Tories and the Scottish SNPers,gulliver.As i have said previously-"a plague on both their houses"//
You keep saying this, ynnafymmi, and keep asking where it is you got this information from. As far as I know there was no question on the referendum ballot paper asking voters which party they voted for. I can’t speak for Scotland as I try to avoid Scottish politics as far as possible but certainly in England there is strong evidence that many traditionally Labour supporters – especially those behind the “Red Wall” in the north – voted to leave. The reasons they cite for this are many and various but they reinforced their view in 2019 when it was evident that the only way they would see their wishes properly fulfilled would be to switch allegiance and vote Tory. I doubt that allegiance will extend to the current Tory leader and the party next time around.
//From my memory it was Cameron who put it to a referendum, surprised him by losing so he resigned and Boris took his place.
You forgot the unforgettably forgettable Mrs May in between, Prudie.
As I said, it is an article of faith, a religion, a cult – the Brexiteers will have nothing negative said about their beloved Brexit – like a doting mother supporting her wayward child, they will deny there is a problem, despite the irrefutable mounting evidence of the massive problem.
It does not matter to Brexiteers whether the loss to the exchequer is £40 billion or 400 billion, or that many businesses fail – they have their Brexit, and woe betide anyone who suggests we should have another referendum to correct this massive blunder by the UK electorate.
It does not matter to Brexiteers whether the loss to the exchequer is £40 billion or 400 billion, or that many businesses fail – they have their Brexit, and woe betide anyone who suggests we should have another referendum to correct this massive blunder by the UK electorate.
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