Art Or Porn?

[sp1814]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florence-florida-michelangelo-david-statue-b2308423.html?amp

Florida is banning books and now this.

Have the American right turned into snowflakes?

[Gromit]

The US republicans are now so far to the right and authoritarian, even the Taliban are looking on with admiration.

[barry1010]

How old are American sixth graders?

[naomi24]

Snowflakes abound here too. We don't have much room to criticise.

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porn can be art they are not mutually exclusive…

the american right have not turned into snowflakes they have turned into fascists… the idea of “degenerate art” is central to fascist censorship and some schools there recently banned Art Spiegelman’s ‘Maus’ ostensibly for nudity but in practise it’s quite obvious they don’t want students reading about genocide

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this is also why many Republicans are seeking to oppress transgender people… they are an unpopular minority and an easy target… once they’ve got their way with them they’ll move on to other “undesirables”

[sandyRoe]

Isn't there a story from ancient Greek myth about a young man who clearly displayed amorous expectation when he first saw a particularly fine statue?
If you looked at the statue of David and became aroused it would be pornographic for you.
Am I wrong?

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barry0101

They'd be 11 or 12

[pastafreak]

I should think something is pornographic if it's *meant* to arouse. Some people with fetishes are aroused by feet...does that make all feet pornographic?
I don't think the majority of classical nudes...paintings or sculptures... were created with the purpose of turning viewers on. ;)

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this case is a good example of why we should be very cautious about parents wanting to control what children are taught in school… the fact of the matter is that where there is a choice between respecting the parents and providing a good education the latter must come first.

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sandyRoe

I'd argue that pornography is media which has be created to induce a specific reaction in viewers.

For instance - 'furries' get turned by seeing others dressed up in brightly-coloured cuddly outfits but that doesn't mean that Barney the Dinosaur is necessarily dodgy.

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pastafreak

Seems like we're sharing a brain this morning!

[Peter Pedant]

we are turning back to Victorian values ( that we used to laugh about in the sixties and wonder how it ever occurred)

when they knitted socks/leggings for piano legs.
Legs were lower limbs
white meat instead of chicken breast.

whilst there were hulks in the marshes and Rookeries in london

[Peter Pedant]

this case is a good example of why we should be very cautious about parents wanting to control what children are taught in school

sozza - we have denominational education ( which they dont in the Land of the Free - has to be secular) under the Butler Act 1944 on the matters of faith and teaching in schools.
Prots get lessons on the NT
Romans - the holy virgin, incense, smells and bells

Politics ( lessons in) were disapproved in schools in the sixties as all the left school master wd tell their pupils to vote Labour

[youngmafbog]

My God, the left are out in force here arnt they!

In the South bits more to do with religious views than political ones. I wonder if Muslim schools and parents would have an issue for instance? Or would that be ok in all your eyes?

For the record, no I dont view it as anything but art. But then I'm an atheist and a far right knuckle dragging somethingphobe.

[sp1814]

It really seems the American right have the bit between their teeth at the moment. I read after the revocation of Roe vs. Wade that this wouldn't be the end of it...but *this*????

[naomi24]

Why is this the 'American right'? It seems to me that everything that's falling foul of the petty-minded in this country - statues hidden away, poetry being cancelled, and books being changed, comes from the initiative of the left.

[Peter Pedant]

I wonder if Muslim schools and parents would have an issue for instance?
yes of course they do for chrissakes
where have you been for the last fifty years.
Resistance to inspection and beating the kids if they dont learn the Quran ( quick enough -someone who has is called a hafez)

Education in the land of the Free is non-denominational

Under U.S. law, religious education is forbidden in public schools, except from a neutral, academic perspective. However, in a minority of communities, released time is granted once a week to make religious education more convenient without violating the separation of church and state.

[Peter Pedant]

Why is this the 'American right'?
in the sense that Lenin (d.1920) was really a Tory
because trump isnt a socialist

Normal day on AB. then

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naomi24

I wasn’t under that impression.

https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor-books-in-schools/

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naomi24

This thread is about the American right - are you moving the debate to the British left?