Chaos At Dover

[gulliver1]

Thousands of coach and car passengers endured a miserable Wait .
Many of them all through the night for their much awaited Easter Holiday
Stormy weather and the French were blamed by the UK Government .
But the Brits were just getting a taste of what they signed up for with Brexit When voted to become "Third Country Nationals" in the eyes of the EU... And it can only get worse....You are no longer in the EU so you have to join the non EU queues at ports and airports You voted for it . Enjoy.

[jno]

///If the vote had been 52% for remain and 48% for leave, what would you be thinking now///

Atheist, as I recall, Farage was asked (before the poll) exactly that, with those very figures. He said he'd go on fighting. Apparently remainers aren't allowed to do this, though, only brexiters.

[davebro]

Remainers are perfectly at liberty to go on fighting & indeed are doing so with the Rejoin-EU party. It seems that with a vast a majority in the country wanting to be in the EU (allegedly) there is little appetite for taking any action to bring this about.

Surely if Sir Keir put in his manifesto "We will hold an early vote to rejoin & negotiate terms with the EU" he would entirely wipe out the Tories for a generation or more?

[ynnafymmi]

As i have said previously,jno,English Tories and Scottish SNPers were the main driving force behind Brexit.A plgue on both their houses.Dont you agree?

[ynnafymmi]

"a plague"

[davebro]

you're peeing in the wind

[New Judge]

//NJ; If the vote had been 52% for remain and 48% for leave, what would you be thinking now?//

You asked for honesty and I've expressed it on here before. I would have been unsurprised (I was mightily surprised when the vote was declared), bitterly disappointed, but I said before the vote that I would accept the vote and move on. My view was that the UK electorate had been taken into a political union, with changes to the supremacy of their Parliament, without their consent and by duplicitous politicians who had brought them there "salami style" - each step not a big change in itself, but when viewed end to end, a mighty change. What I wanted (since 1992) was that change to be put to a vote.

But I would not have pressed for the result to be reversed and I don't think a similar referendum should have been held for at least ten years - provided the UK's constitutional and legislative position with the EU remained unchanged.

But that is only my view. I am, however, inclined to agree with davebro in that I do not believe that would have been the end of the matter. Such was (and I believe still is) the antipathy towards the EU in this country that any government would have found it very difficult to maintain the status quo (as much as the EU does the status quo, that is).

[sp1814]

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[Atheist]

jno; I think that Farridge said on the eve of the result (when it looked as though remain might win) that a 52-48 result wouldn't be the end of the story .
The referendum was set up in such a hopeless way which meant that the future of the UK could be decided on a single person's vote. Compare that with the rules for union votes for strike action!
Cameron was the prime idiot who enabled all this idiocy, just to keep the Tories in power. There's been no politics aimed at the good of the nation for many years; simply anything goes as long as our lot gets in. I mean, just look at the c-list gang that Johnson left. Sunak's a bit better, but even he is stuck with people like Braverman and Raab.

[davebro]

//There's been no politics aimed at the good of the nation for many years; simply anything goes as long as our lot gets in. I mean, just look at the c-list gang that Johnson left. Sunak's a bit better, but even he is stuck with people like Braverman and Raab.//

Too true - and that applies to both main parties I feel. (Labour not even c-listers most of them)

[Atheist]

Davebro. Oppossition politicians are always c-listers because they've been opposition and don't have the cachet of being in charge. That can change very quickly as soon as they get their hands on the tiller. If Sir Kier became PM he would immediately become an important guy, and would then soon go from 'important' to 'what a disappointing flop' or to 'wow, he's really good'.

[davebro]

Does any one of them have any experience or any clue what it's like to be in government?

[gulliver1]

Atheist @ 20.24... What a spot on answer..

[sp1814]

davebro

With respect - it's been so long since we've had a Labour government the if anyone in the shadow cabinet *had* experience of service in office, they would have to be very old indeed.

And perhaps that's a good thing.

[Atheist]

As much as Sunak or Johnson etc. At least they'll have earned their stripes rather than just got in because Johnson needed poodles.

[davebro]

would you hand your business over to a bunch of newbies?

[gulliver1]

Atheist @ 20.41 And another spot on answer.

[sp1814]

daverbro

The Opposition front bench are hardly 'newbies'. And even if they were what's the alternative? A single party totalitarian regime?

What would be the point of democracy if we thought, "Well, the Opposition have have not experience of governing, so we may as well continue with the elected party".

Therein madness lies.

[davebro]

The regular chop and change between the left & right hasn't really served the country all that well in the past few decades. I think a new centrist party with factions from both the main parties could govern indefinitely. But of course they are too entrenched & fearful of their jobs to make that leap.

[roadman]

nice to see the thread gained some decorum and the crows have stopped pecking

now it has gone this far i think that it would be a monumental catastrophe to do a uturn on brexit the time and effort wasted would be crazy we must now crack on

[fripfrip]

The opposition have no experience of governing,most of them have no work experience,may the lord help us if they ever get in.