Surely Any Pretense That This Is About Pay Is Now Out Of The Window....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-65037421

[gness]

I rarely post now and am looking in less and less but you really get my back up, Roadman.
I spent most of my life working in a deprived area with many special needs children. I also worked in their hearing unit with deaf children.
I worked bloody hard to give those children the best I could.

Perhaps you should have paid more attention to your glorified babysitters.

[Tilly2]

I can't see TTT in a classroom somehow.

[jourdain2]

Z-M As it happens I worked as a secretary in a bank and also in a small business before training as a teacher. I agree about not going straight from school into teaching - but not on the grounds you cite.

Teaching is FAR, FAR harder than what you call 'real work'.

Having established my point on that - I don't think teachers should strike. I've said this before. You are in 'loco parentis' legally. I never went on strike.
It's a decent offer, compared to what most people are getting, when you add in the £1K for this year and renegotiation next year.

To those who doubt how hard teaching is - go do a cover lesson in an inner-city Comp. in Bradford. All aspiring M.P.s should be made to do this for 1 week, just one week.

[Patsy33]

I think teachers deserve a decent pay rise. A lot of them are stressed and have to have time off. It's not easy for them. Respect.

[davebro]

Teaching is an odd one. It's a bit like acting - you got to be on top of your game all the time. Looking back we had teachers who were excellent at keeping order & getting the lesson across. Others were completely hopeless, indiscipline ruled & many classes were a waste of time. I couldn't do it but good luck to those that can. Many are in the wrong job.

[ToraToraTora]

The judge is correct, trying to get an above inflation rise is ridiculous, all that does is fuel inflation so it gets worse and worse. I got 2% and I was more than happy with that. We have to pay for years of QE to pay for Covid etc. The unions have always been selfish and seditious.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ Teaching is FAR, FAR harder than what you call 'real work'. ’

Is it? Why?

[ToraToraTora]

the problem is ZM the teachers are no longer allowed to beat the kids!

[davebro]

It IS harder for those who can't really cope with it. No hiding place.

[ichkeria]

It is.
I went to a supposedly "good" school but when I look back, although a lot of the teachers were good, the REALLY good ones you could count on the fingers of one hand.
It is an immensely difficult job. It make me a little cross when I see some of the comments here, to be honest.
How do you expect kids to respect teachers when so many of the parents, or at least adults, plainly do not.

[ichkeria]

My comment was in reply to:

"
‘ Teaching is FAR, FAR harder than what you call 'real work'. ’

Is it? Why? "

[ichkeria]

I should stress that I think that the teachers should have accepted this offer, but I understand why many feel that after years of neglect, strike action is the only way to get the government's attention.

[Zacs-Master]

I’ve still not seen anyone explain why teaching is more difficult than a job where a companies future, and so your future, is dependent on how well you do that job.

[ToraToraTora]

did you see the crowd in their "meeting"? What a shower and they teach our kids?

[Zacs-Master]

They, and many other people involved in strikes, behave like morons and then expect to have the sympathy of the country at large.

[gness]

So you don't think how well we teach children affects the future, Zacs?

[Zacs-Master]

I think it has a very great effect, Gness. This actually plays to my argument about work experience……how can a teacher who has no experience of working in a commercial environment prepare a child for the real world of work?

[davebro]

//how can a teacher who has no experience of working in a commercial environment prepare a child for the real world of work?//

That's not what they do - they teach a prepared curriculum. How many of us use calculus in our "world of work"?

[jourdain2]

Z-M Where to begin!
The easy one to explain is that it is physically exhausting, especially if you are in a large school and carting bundles of books and materials around all day.
Also, you are often being challenged, sometimes physically assaulted (it's happened to me) you are coping with 100s of teenagers with raging hormones, personal and social issues and you are trying to establish a calm, achieving environment where your lessons (which have taken a lot of brainwork and must always be ready to adjust to events and queries) can be absorbed. Then in the evenings, you cook dinner and ignore your own kids for a bit (or if you don't, you start marking at 9 or 10 p.m) and mark homework, sometimes say 60/90 books. (My subject, English, canot be marked with a tick, there are spelling and grammar errors, etc. to correct.

I survived and was a good teacher, but it is by far from an easy job. Anyone who thinks it is, just try it. My daughter now teaches Maths. she has marking time built into the school day, but it's not enough and I would not like to have to fill in the forms for lesson prep. that she does. Justifying every approach is just the start.

[Zacs-Master]

Well, yes, that’s a whole different argument, Dave.