Finally Some Common Sense

[youngmafbog]

Single-sex schools will be able to reject transgender pupils and teachers can refuse to call children by their preferred pronouns under new Government guidelines

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983441/Single-sex-schools-able-reject-transgender-pupils-new-Government-guidelines.html

[Ellipsis]

> Is there such a thing as bigotry against transgender people?

For a Yes answer, it must be the case that transgender people exist. Accepting that is a good start.

Given that such people exist, it's inevitable that bigotry against transgender people exists.

> 1. What support should transgender students get at mixed schools?

I asked Google Bard, and it said ...

Transgender students attending mixed schools should receive the same support as any other student. This includes:

* Access to a safe and supportive learning environment.
* Access to appropriate facilities, such as toilets and changing rooms.
* Access to gender-affirming clothing and hairstyles.
* Access to gender-affirming healthcare.
* Protection from bullying and harassment.
* Education about transgender issues for all students and staff.

Schools can provide this support by:

* Developing and implementing policies that are inclusive of transgender students.
* Providing training for staff on transgender issues.
* Creating a culture of acceptance and respect for all students.
* Working with parents and carers to support transgender students.

By providing this support, schools can help transgender students to thrive and achieve their full potential.

Here are some additional tips for supporting transgender students at mixed schools:

* Use the student's preferred name and pronouns.
* Be respectful of the student's gender identity, even if you don't understand it.
* Don't make assumptions about the student's gender identity based on their appearance.
* If you have questions, ask the student or their parents.
* Report any bullying or harassment to the school administration.
* Create a safe and inclusive environment for all students.

By following these tips, you can help to create a school community where all students feel welcome and supported.

> 2. Some single-sex schools may wish to accept transgender students. Is this OK, and if so what support should such students get?

Whether or not it is okay for single-sex schools to accept transgender students is a complex question. There are a number of factors to consider, such as the school's mission, the needs of the students, and the resources available.

Some single-sex schools believe that they can provide a safe and supportive environment for transgender students. These schools may have policies in place that protect transgender students from discrimination and harassment. They may also have staff who are trained to work with transgender students.

Other single-sex schools believe that they cannot provide a safe and supportive environment for transgender students. These schools may have concerns about the safety of transgender students or the impact that transgender students could have on the school's mission.

Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to accept transgender students is a decision that each single-sex school must make for itself. There is no right or wrong answer, and the best decision for one school may not be the best decision for another school.

If a single-sex school does decide to accept transgender students, it is important to provide these students with the support they need. This support may include:

* Access to a safe and supportive learning environment.
* Access to appropriate facilities, such as toilets and changing rooms.
* Access to gender-affirming clothing and hairstyles.
* Access to gender-affirming healthcare.
* Protection from bullying and harassment.
* Education about transgender issues for all students and staff.
* By providing this support, single-sex schools can help transgender students to thrive and achieve their full potential.

[Ellipsis]

And the third question ...

> 3. Conversely, a student already at a single-sex school might see themselves as transgender. Should they be obliged to leave the school, or, since they are still the same sex as all other students, do they still "fit in" despite being transgender? And, again, what support should they get?

A transgender student who is already enrolled in a single-sex school should not be obliged to leave the school. Transgender students deserve to have the same educational opportunities as any other student, and they should not be forced to leave their school simply because they identify as transgender.

There are a number of ways that single-sex schools can support transgender students. These schools can:

Develop and implement policies that are inclusive of transgender students.
Provide training for staff on transgender issues.
Create a culture of acceptance and respect for all students.
Work with parents and carers to support transgender students.
By providing this support, single-sex schools can help transgender students to thrive and achieve their full potential.

Here are some additional tips for supporting transgender students at single-sex schools:

Use the student's preferred name and pronouns.
Be respectful of the student's gender identity, even if you don't understand it.
Don't make assumptions about the student's gender identity based on their appearance.
If you have questions, ask the student or their parents.
Report any bullying or harassment to the school administration.
Create a safe and inclusive environment for all students.
By following these tips, you can help to create a school community where all students feel welcome and supported.

It is important to remember that transgender students are just like any other students. They want to learn, they want to make friends, and they want to feel safe and supported. By providing transgender students with the support they need, we can help them to thrive and achieve their full potential.

[Ellipsis]

Oops, sorry, forgot to add the bullets for the third response. Anyway, it's interesting to read what a computer responds to these questions ...

[ClareTG0ld]

// i'll let you in on something naomi... i used to have the same view as you! i had never thought much about trans people before jk rowling's famous essay... and when it came out i completely agreed with her.

do you know what i did after that? i did what i always do... i studied the people i thought were my opponents... i read and watched and listened to as much as i could about the perspective of trans people and i realised that i was wrong!//

Wow, that's amazing to read. I had obviously considered recommending Natalie Wynn's (Contrapoints's) videos here, too, but didn't think anyone would care to watch them, or at least not those who sincerely need to.

There's some hope out there after all :)

[naomi24]

Untitled, I really don’t need lessons from you … really I don’t.

[Untitled]

what a typical naomi answer

[naomi24]

Untitled, you say you used to think like me. What changed your mind about men presenting themselves as women sharing women only spaces - or the inequality of male athletes competing in women’s sport - or the stupidity of asking men if they’re pregnant - or the insult of referring to women as ‘people with cervixes’ or mother’s as ‘people who give birth’ - or the airbrushing of the very word ‘women’ from certain areas?

ClareTG0ld, you haven’t addressed my last post to you.

[ClareTG0ld]

No, I guess I didn't.

[naomi24]

That answers my question. Thank you. If only you could bring yourself to be honest
about this.

[Untitled]

I used to think that those things were a threat to women’s safety and existence and when i actually looked into it and thought about it I realised that they were not

inclusive language for example (asking people who look male if they have ever been pregnant) does no harm to anyone so far as i can see and insults nobody… it is a pragmatic thing for health professionals to do because a minority of people who now present as male may well have been pregnant

[ClareTG0ld]

Whether or not you think I'm being dishonest, or irrational, or selfish, or thoughtless is neither here nor there.

You could certainly stand to learn a lot from untitled's journey, though, and perhaps it would be beneficial for you to work through Contrapoint's YouTube oeuvre. Until then, there's little I can add. And, besides, why should I answer your questions when you spend so long avoiding answering mine, or finding non-answers that advance nothing?

[naomi24]

Attack me all you like, ClareTG0ld. You’re not even raising a reasonable or a rational argument - and I haven’t avoided your questions.

[ClareTG0ld]

I will say something, though. For all that NewJudge bangs on about transgender people "demanding" such and such, or otherwise imposing themselves, it's very far from my experience. I don't "demand" access to women's spaces, such as fitting rooms (in women's clothes sections). I ask. Or, even, I'm invited in without asking. Am I supposed to decline this invitation? I don't tell my friends, or other people I meet, to call me "she/her". They do anyway. Am I also supposed to "correct" them?

I can't legislate for people who may or may not feel uncomfortable in my presence. But, so far as I can see, firstly nobody has; secondly, merely feeling uncomfortable in itself, when I'm doing nothing other than existing in somebody's presence to warrant causing that discomfort, cannot be enough motivation to exclude someone. Such policies have, at best, poor historical precedents.

I wouldn't wish for anyone to feel uncomfortable. But it's not on me to withdraw from society, or to hide who I am, in order to achieve that.

[ClareTG0ld]

// You’re not even raising a reasonable or a rational argument ... //

According to whose standards, though? Yours, I reckon. But I don't recognise those standards, they're based in this issue in particular on misinformation, half-remembered facts taken out of context, and paranoia.

Have a watch of those Contrapoints videos. You might learn something.

[naomi24]

You’re all heart.

[lankeela]

"didn't think anyone would care to watch them, or at least not those who sincerely need to" - well I can tell you I certainly do not care to watch them and even less do I feel the need to. I don't care what other people call themselves or see themselves as, but don't expect me to go along with it.

[Zacs-Master]

Is that really your response? Jesus, you must be proud of your position on modern society, Naomi.

[Untitled]

I truly hope that no trans person ever needs to turn to you for support naomi… for their sake i really do

[naomi24]

It seems you have forgotten previous posts.

[naomi24]

^That to ClareCG0ld.

Untitled, firstly you don’t know me so I’ll thank you to keep your misplaced rudeness to yourself, and secondly like your cohorts it appears you are only capable of playing the man rather than the ball - and you’re not doing too well at that.