When Is Football Going To Emerge From The Dark Ages?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/real-madrid-star-vinicius-junior-says-spains-la-liga-belongs-to-the-racists-after-pointing-out-abusers-during-match-12886586
...Other sports seem to manage it.

[Zacs-Master]

'which is a conscious decision from both parties'

Many football fans are indoctrinated into 'fandom' and the various rituals therein from a very early age. There is an animalism which is very toxic (believe me, I've been to many a Leeds Utd game in The Cheese wedge which is next to the away fans). I'd say it's more learned behaviours, peer pressure and the toxicity of the environment than a 'conscious decision'.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs, the fact remains, that however football fans arrive at their level of support, there are thought processes involved.

Unlike skin colour, which is an accident of birth, with no input or choice from the recipient.

[Zacs-Master]

There's not much difference between the hating colour of someone's skin and hating the colour of the opposition's kit, Andy. It's all tribal.

Have you been to many large stadium football matches, Andy?

[Arksided]

Andy.. Unlike skin colour, which is an accident of birth

An 'accident' that does read more than a tad racist.

[andy-hughes]

Arksided - // Andy.. Unlike skin colour, which is an accident of birth

An 'accident' that does read more than a tad racist. //

Does it?

Please explain, I am intrigued.

[Arksided]

Shame you can't see it yourself... but it reads like you are saying some are accidently born with the wrong skin colour.

Now please explain what you did mean.

[Zacs-Master]

'it reads like you are saying some are accidently born with the wrong skin colour'

No it doesn't. If Andy had written 'being born black is an accident of birth'

or indeed 'being born white is an accident of birth' it may be taken as racist. But he didn't.

[Arksided]

It's how I read it. So it is to me.

[Arksided]

What does he mean by it then?

[Zacs-Master]

He means that the colour of your skin (whatever race creed or colour) is purely down to your lineage. You have no choice in the matter.
Shame you can't see it yourself

[Arksided]

No he didn't, BS!

[Zacs-Master]

(shakes head and walks away muttering something about leading horses to water and stuff)

[Arksided]

Yeah you do that, you've obviously just realised I'm right.

[Zacs-Master]

Of course you are, arky. Of course you are.
(adds a jolly whistle as he walks away)

[William51]

The UK has done well in highlighting and fighting racism but this story shows Spain has a problem, and it shows up when Valencia director Javier Solis does not see a problem and is an apologist for the culprits.

[andy-hughes]

Arksided - Are you serious???????

The expression 'an accident of birth' is a common expression to describe characteristics with which people are born - red hair, blue eyes, black - or indeed white - skin.

If you are not familiar with the phrase, that is how I meant it, and clearly others understand that, and have posted accordingly.

The world is sadly full of people who look for offence, and choose to see it when it is manifestly not present.

Your lack of education demonstrates your ignorance of a common expression.

Your willingness to see 'racism' in its use merely confirms that ignorance.

I express myself perfectly clearly in written English, I am paid to do so on a regular basis.

If the day dawns when I wish to express a racist view, there will be no confusion, or vague hints for someone like you to take two and two and make five out of it.

But since anyone on here who knows me at all, knows that I have my faults, but being a racist is absolutely not one of them.

Happy to explain, as requested.

[Zacs-Master]

'Arksided - Are you serious???????'

I'm afraid he is, Andy.

[andy-hughes]

Oh dear ....

Is Dianne Abbot looking for an assistant?

[Zacs-Master]

LOL

[Arksided]

Firstly Andy let me apologise to you, I certainly know who you are and wasn't calling you a racist. If you look back I merely pointed out that's how it reads, and how I read it on a racism thread.

I'm certainly not one for looking for racism or fault to nit pick like a lot do these days, so not as ignorant as you suggested or have a lack of education.

Thank you for explaining.