Prigozhin Drops A Truth Bomb …

[ichkeria]

… and the Kremlin retaliates?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-65996531

It’s one thing mouthing off about how awful your defence ministry is, but telling the truth about Donetsk, and slaying the myth swallowed by so many even in the west about Ukraine attacking civilians there since 2014?

And now on his Telegram channel tonight he’s claiming that his camp was hit by a missile from the direction of Russia, with “many dead”.
Pondering how to react.
Great news?

[ichkeria]

Actually probably not just the national guard, presumably.

I don't like popcorn, unfortunately :-)

[Khandro]

Prigo's posts;
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/23/wagner-s-march-of-justice

[Peter Pedant]

Even the beeb ( oops) were breathlessly doubting at 7 am this morning.
Anyone for Lenin? The russian army has voted with its feet
( very well done in Dr Zhivago.... er yes I know that is fiction)

[Zacs-Master]

Putin: "Our actions to defend the Fatherland from this threat will be harsh. Everyone who consciously chose the path of treason and planned the armed uprising has embraced blackmail and terrorist methods. They will be inevitably punished before the law and our people."

Credit: Max Seddon (Twitter)

[ichkeria]

I think we can say now that this is an insurrection by Wagner. Putin’s speech is pretty much as I thought it would be: Prigozhin is a *** bla bla bla a Nazi (they’re always Nazis) and a traitor and he’ll sort it out.
But will he? If the military sides with Wagner he’s done for

[tomus42]

This is all good. Hopefully the two of them will wipe each other out.

[LadyCG]

Have you seen this, Ich?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784011/lukashenko-flees-belarus-russia-coup

[ichkeria]

Yes I had seen that Lady, but I’d caution against reading too much into it. Originally mind you it was thought he - or at least his official plane - was flying to Moscow. As it does apparently at weekends. There is no proof he was on board as far as I know.
But it turned out it was heading to Turkey. It’s unclear whether it was headed there all along or changed its plan.
It might just be some of his people heading there on holiday

[LadyCG]

Okay. Perhaps it's a tad early to get excited.

[ichkeria]

The convoy Prigozhin has sent ahead of him to Moscow is pretty low key.
That means either it’ll get zapped or he’s not expecting much resistance ;-)

[royfromaus]

tomus42
This is all good.
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Time will tell.

[royfromaus]

I'm not posting this saying it is true but if it is....

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672455738923286529

[Khandro]

The morale within the Russian army is at a low ebb. Despite all Putin's propaganda they know they are fighting a lost cause (if there ever was a justifiable cause) I would not be at all surprised if they turned coats & joined the Russians already against Putin & Prigo's lot & put an end to this misery.

Be afraid Vladimir, be very afraid!

[Khandro]

'Where does all of this lead? Here there are three possibilities. First, Prigozhin succeeds in his coup in Moscow, leading to Putin’s ousting and / or death. The chances of this happening are slim but stranger things have happened. This would be a ‘clean coup scenario’.


The second is that Prigozhin is able to capture and hold a regional base (such as Rostov, where his troops are now). Combined with the rapidly deteriorating situation in Ukraine (where Russian forces are trying to hold the front against the advancing Ukrainian forces), this could really then deteriorate into a nasty and prolonged struggle. Let’s call it a ‘civil war scenario.’ The chances of this happening are less than even.

Third, Prigozhin is captured and/or killed. Wagner is defeated. We would then expect an announcement from the Kremlin that Prigozhin was in fact a CIA agent. The result will be a further turn towards brutal repressions in Russia. Let’s call this ‘a Kirov scenario’, named so after the mysterious murder of Sergei Kirov in 1934, which gave Stalin the pretext for attacking his perceived enemies (this led in time to the Great Purge). Chances: fair.'

Sergey Radchenko writing in The Spectator, today

[royfromaus]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672526400618889216

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i do hope russia does not experience another civil war... that does not seem like something which would be good for anyone

[ichkeria]

Let them fight a war in their own country.
Not in Ukraine.
Wagner leaving Ukraine for whatever reason is good news.
And reports Kadyrov’s forces also leaving

[Ellipsis]

Wagner is a mercenary force. Mercenaries are paid to fight. My assumption is that Putin/Russia was doing the paying. If so, why now has Wagner switched sides and who now is paying?

[douglas9401]

Well, the CIA of course. :-)

[Peter Pedant]

Hopefully the two of them will wipe each other out.
doesnt happen
OK didnt happen ( think Hitler and Stalin)
or nearer home and smaller scale - Anderton CC Manchester thought the triad gangs wd wipe each other out if he left them alone ( and arrested gays) - they didnt