Good Ole E C H R.......another Nail I The Coffin For Women's Sport.

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/66162083
....why doesn't he race with the men? I think I know! He has a Y chromosome after all.

[ClareTG0ld]

// This athlete clearly has a genuine problem but if there’s a ruling on acceptable testosterone levels none should be exempt. //

This would have been an understandable position if the rule had already existed, but in fact several new rules were introduced in response to* Semenya's case -- that is, after she'd started to compete.

Rules on Testosterone levels were first introduced in 2011, then withdrawn in 2015, then reintroduced and tightened -- and, curiously, targeted at only a handful of events, including specifically the ones that Semenya competes in. You can't say that it's fair to hold her in breach of rules that didn't exist when she started to compete and seem to have been designed specifically to exclude her.

[naomi24]

JJ, height is an advantage in some sports which is why we see so many tall basketball players, but you also talked about high jump. Male athletes jump higher than females but not because they’re always taller.

[naomi24]

ClareTG0ld. I didn’t say that.

[Gromit]

She was awarded South African Sportswoman of the Year Award at the SA Sports Awards in 2020. She is a woman.

[JJ109]

I was only talking about women, Naomi. Would a tall woman, ceteris paribus, do better in the high jump than a short one?

[ToraToraTora]

oh dear seem to have woken up the woke.

[JJ109]

No - I am against transgender athletes competing against other female athletes... but in this case she is a female but with medical issues. She is not transgender.

[bazwillrun]

"but you cant stomp all over the rights of the majority"

you can these days...the woke minority appears to be doing it all the time and getting their way...A winning majority seems to count for nothing these days...

[ClareTG0ld]

Well, in that case, Naomi, would you agree that the rules that were introduced after the fact are unfair?

[ClareTG0ld]

// A winning majority seems to count for nothing these days... //

Indeed. She won by a majority in court, but that seems to count for nothing these days... :)

[naomi24]

JJ, I just checked and taller high jumpers do have an advantage - which is probably why shorter women choose a different discipline. The point is a male athlete of similar height competing against women has a greater advantage.

[mushroom25]

at some point in the future in sport, there will be no gender segregation. there will just be "sport".

if those with x-x chromosomes cannot compete, well tough. train harder.

[Gromit]

In 2009 she underwent Sex verification tests. The follow year she was cleared to compete in Women's race events.

[naomi24]

ClareTG0ld, no I wouldn’t agree. If an athlete is found to have an unusual condition that results in them having a permanent advantage over all other competitors, the playing field has to be levelled - otherwise there is no competition. Of course this athlete could always agree to comply with the regulations. That would be the simplest solution.

[JJ109]

Yes, Naomi - that goes without saying. The point I was making was simply some female athletes are born with advantages whether it is high testosterone or height.

She is a female that has been born with an advantage in her chosen sport.

If the testosterone levels were due to taking supplements or hormone treatments or other synthetic means, then I agree that that person should not be able to compete with other females.....but in this case she is a female, born with an advantage, just like a tall athlete has an advantage with height in certain sports.

[ToraToraTora]

He is NOT female, there is a Y chromosome present, end of.

[naomi24]

JJ, I don’t think this is ‘just like a tall athlete has an advantage’. I’d hazard a guess that if this athlete trained in other disciplines and competed against women that advantage would still win medals.

[ToraToraTora]

Within the sexes there has always been a range of body types and they tend to gravitate to the areas of sport where they fit. This is a not like that. This athlete un handicapped would probably win every athletics event. It's unfortunate but biological rarity does not mean that the entire sport must suffer.

[ToraToraTora]

....what's the betting he starts entering other events, especially the jumping and throwing ones? Then he'll be in the Rugby team etc.

[david small]

If this individual approached me in a bar seeking Ugandan discussion, I would say, good evening to you Sir and leave.