Would You Move …

[ichkeria]

to an ethnically cleansed city in a war zone?

Nice cheap flat, sea view.
Possible thousands of bodies in the foundations but what the hell …
I mean these people presumably don’t know the truth but even so …
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-66393949

[naomi24]

80,000 dead and now the occupiers //seem intent on "Russifying" the city. //

A dreadful prospect for those remaining.

[Khandro]

It's fitting that the Russians re-build the city, after all they destroyed it & it will save the Ukrainians from having to do it when it eventually returns to them.

[ichkeria]

The thing is tho khandro that it really may be the case that there are bodies or the remains of beneath.
Russians and Ukrainians are very superstitious and I doubt you could resettle people there until the whole thing had been razed again.
A Russian propagandist shot himself in the foot recently by posting a picture of Donetsk city “undamaged under Russian rule”. Ah yes, this is the same city you claim has been shelled constantly by Ukraine since 2014 :-)

[naomi24]

//it will save the Ukrainians from having to do it when it eventually returns to them. //

The longer this goes on the more I wonder if it will ever happen. I really hope it does... but ...

[ichkeria]

I’m sure part of the thinking is to try to make it harder for Ukraine to reoccupy places that are albeit illegally populated by Russians. The military reality tho does not change

[ichkeria]

The “Russification” described by the BBC in that report isn’t only happening in Mariupol but in all occupied areas.
The likelihood is that many will leave as the Ukraine army advances. Not all will tho no doubt

[Khandro]

This idea of moving (forcing) different ethic groups around to form a homogenous state has been tried, e.g. former Yugoslavia, and doesn't work, with disastrous consequences.

Also re. Mariupol, you build the cheap flats, but what are people to do there? The main employment was at the steel works - apparently the largest in Europe - which has been destroyed along with the town's infrastructure.

I think this is simply another publicity stunt by Mad Vlad for home consumption.

[Old_Geezer]

Past is not really a consideration. Future is. Why pay good money for a cheap flat just to get slung out and pointed at Russia when the hostilities cease ?

[Old_Geezer]

Oh they will need to move, as things would not be pleasant afterwards (not that it's pleasant now). Either there'll be vigilantes after Russian sympathisers, or terrorist activity aimed at Russian authorities. Not recommending it, just stating the inevitable.

[ichkeria]

To be honest if I lived in a frozen ****hole like Murmansk and I saw ads like that, even if I DID know more then the propaganda told me, then I’d be sorely tempted.

[Peter Pedant]

The longer this goes on the more I wonder if it will ever happen. I really hope it does... but ...

yeah the usual AB hand wringing woke crap.

can ABers who have grandparents ( possibly from the East - no not Lincolnshire) ask them if this happened in 1940-5 ?

( the answer is 'yes' by the way)

That the Germans gave houses to informers in the occupied east, and then when the wonderful liberating Red army took it all back three years later, the German speakers were ejected and anyone speaking Russian ( oops does that include Ukrainians?)....

History repeats itself. especially on AB
as Itch will confirm

[Peter Pedant]

Trump's solution - a person much loved by the standard ABer?

"The Ukrainians speak Russian - so dey Russian , right?"

carry on crayzies!

[tomus42]

It's a well tried and trusted way of invading a country. Move a load of your own people in there asap so it becomes perpetually 'disputed' territory rather than just land you've invaded.

[ichkeria]

“Move a load of your own people in there asap so it becomes perpetually 'disputed”

Well no that’s not the issue. It’s not disputed territory and can never be no matter who they ship in there. It’s all in the minds of the Russians ;-)

[ichkeria]

“The longer this goes on the more I wonder if it (liberation of Mariupol) will ever happen”

Ukraine has now deployed 4 of its bataillions to its counteroffensive.
They have 40 more waiting to pounce when they deem it right,
It will happen :-)

[Gromit]

Khandro 0-15 PP.

Oh dear. Well never mind.

[ichkeria]

Yesterday the number of Russian military dead according to Ukraine defence ministry estimates passed a quarter of a million.
All four bridges linking Crimea to mainland Ukraine and to Russia have now been attacked: the land bridges were again hit yesterday with cruise missiles. Some think the object of the exercise regarding the bridges to the mainland is actually to cut off the retreat of the Russians from there

[Khandro]

ichi Why would anyone want to cut off a retreat ?

[ichkeria]

Leave them with one road to retreat and then eliminate them. So “restrict” would be more accurate.
As the Russians did to Ukraine at the battle of Ilovaisk in 2014. In that case after a ceasefire and safe passage had been agreed