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Trump’s Latest Indictment Charges Includes Racketeering
If found guilty there is a mandatory minimum 5 year jail term within Georgia for racketeering.
18 others have been charged within the indictment, including Rudy Giuliani.
Interesting times ahead.
18 others have been charged within the indictment, including Rudy Giuliani.
Interesting times ahead.
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SP, I listened to it - seriously.
Frankly, if anything is disgraceful it's the fact that the complaints Mr Trump is making in that tape are being lightly dismissed. What if he's right? What if votes were shredded? Isn't that worthy of consideration? Clearly not by the fine, upstanding, honest people who seek his downfall under any circumstances. I don't know who's right and who's wrong but just saying it didn't happen isn't good enough. Seriously.
Frankly, if anything is disgraceful it's the fact that the complaints Mr Trump is making in that tape are being lightly dismissed. What if he's right? What if votes were shredded? Isn't that worthy of consideration? Clearly not by the fine, upstanding, honest people who seek his downfall under any circumstances. I don't know who's right and who's wrong but just saying it didn't happen isn't good enough. Seriously.
Khandro
I might want to "find" £1m, but that's not a criminal conspiracy. It becomes a criminal conspiracy once I engage someone to help me "find" that £1m by illegal means.
And:
"Do you think if Trump's hide was black (instead of orange), we'd be seeing any of this farce?"
Very much so. But the only black U.S. President we have to compare to is Barack Obama - and he won his elections fair and square.
I might want to "find" £1m, but that's not a criminal conspiracy. It becomes a criminal conspiracy once I engage someone to help me "find" that £1m by illegal means.
And:
"Do you think if Trump's hide was black (instead of orange), we'd be seeing any of this farce?"
Very much so. But the only black U.S. President we have to compare to is Barack Obama - and he won his elections fair and square.
naomi24
Ah...you don't know about all all the lawsuits Trump's team filed after they lost the election.
He filed 62.
61 were defeated.
This was after the call. But what Trump was saying on the call was this:
"I've heard that box machines were gutted and votes were shredded, so please find 11,780 so I can win".
It wasn't "You can't ratify the results when there's so many stories", it's "I want you to fudge the results my favour".
This is what he's (rightly) being indicted on.
Ah...you don't know about all all the lawsuits Trump's team filed after they lost the election.
He filed 62.
61 were defeated.
This was after the call. But what Trump was saying on the call was this:
"I've heard that box machines were gutted and votes were shredded, so please find 11,780 so I can win".
It wasn't "You can't ratify the results when there's so many stories", it's "I want you to fudge the results my favour".
This is what he's (rightly) being indicted on.
SP, //"I've heard that box machines were gutted and votes were shredded, so please find 11,780 so I can win".//
He didn't say that.
//"I want you to fudge the results my favour".//
Or that.
If you're consumed with hatred from the beginning it's very difficult to assess any situation objectively - and you have illustrated that perfectly.
He didn't say that.
//"I want you to fudge the results my favour".//
Or that.
If you're consumed with hatred from the beginning it's very difficult to assess any situation objectively - and you have illustrated that perfectly.
// Frankly, if anything is disgraceful it's the fact that the complaints Mr Trump is making in that tape are being lightly dismissed. What if he's right? What if votes were shredded? Isn't that worthy of consideration?//
It is. And it was. And it was discovered to be absolute nonsense (not least by notable trump allies like his at-the-time Attorney General, Barr). And, moreover, it was clear that Trump was going to come out with this line in any state he lost. He'd actively *prepared* to declare States in which he lost as fraudulent. He lined up, and conspired with others to line up, fake "electors". He tried to pressure the vice-President to nullify results, and called him a coward for not doing so.
Feel free to claim that you're evaluating the situation objectively. The objective evidence is clear, though: Trump lost, lost legitimately, lost by quite a margin; and simply refused to accept that this was possible, and tried to overturn the result in his favour. Multiple tries, in multiple ways, in multiple States. It's a disgrace that he should be allowed anywhere near the White House again.
It is. And it was. And it was discovered to be absolute nonsense (not least by notable trump allies like his at-the-time Attorney General, Barr). And, moreover, it was clear that Trump was going to come out with this line in any state he lost. He'd actively *prepared* to declare States in which he lost as fraudulent. He lined up, and conspired with others to line up, fake "electors". He tried to pressure the vice-President to nullify results, and called him a coward for not doing so.
Feel free to claim that you're evaluating the situation objectively. The objective evidence is clear, though: Trump lost, lost legitimately, lost by quite a margin; and simply refused to accept that this was possible, and tried to overturn the result in his favour. Multiple tries, in multiple ways, in multiple States. It's a disgrace that he should be allowed anywhere near the White House again.
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First of all, ymb, it's Clare, kindly remember that. Secondly, it's absolute nonsense that this is "blind hatred" -- quite the reverse, really. It's despair, including at those so determined to exonerate Trump of everything and to look the other way.
You really ought to look at the full background. https:/
As an aside, we were even discussing this *before* the election, when Trump was telling everybody straight up that if he lost it could 'only' be due to fraud, and that he would never accept a defeat as legitimate. He told us straight up what his thoughts were. That he lost (legimately), and then refused to accept it in spite of the overwhelming evidence and knowledge that it was legitimate, should come as no surprise to anyone; nor should it be a surprise that Trump acted, and directed others to act, on those utterly false suspicions.
All of this because of one man's ego. Trump's built his career on "winning"; a loss damages his brand. Of course he tried to avoid losing.
You really ought to look at the full background. https:/
As an aside, we were even discussing this *before* the election, when Trump was telling everybody straight up that if he lost it could 'only' be due to fraud, and that he would never accept a defeat as legitimate. He told us straight up what his thoughts were. That he lost (legimately), and then refused to accept it in spite of the overwhelming evidence and knowledge that it was legitimate, should come as no surprise to anyone; nor should it be a surprise that Trump acted, and directed others to act, on those utterly false suspicions.
All of this because of one man's ego. Trump's built his career on "winning"; a loss damages his brand. Of course he tried to avoid losing.
naomi24
He said "I just wanna find 11.780 votes". That would've given him enough votes to win the election in Georgia. He argued that there were rumours of vote-rigging.
Even if there WERE, the right thing to do would be to have a recount. There WAS a recount and the change in the numbers wasn't enough to allow a Trump win.
That's when he got on the phone to Secretary of State for Georgia and tried to persuade him to somehow find the 11,780 votes he needed.
Re: Trump hatred.
You realise that The AnswerBank has a record of posts made right?
So I had a quick look back at mine. I've mentioned him once this year (a rather innocuous comment here: https:/
I went back to May 2022 and can't find any other mention of him despite the number of news stories about him in that period.
I don't hate the man. I save that for DeSantis.
He said "I just wanna find 11.780 votes". That would've given him enough votes to win the election in Georgia. He argued that there were rumours of vote-rigging.
Even if there WERE, the right thing to do would be to have a recount. There WAS a recount and the change in the numbers wasn't enough to allow a Trump win.
That's when he got on the phone to Secretary of State for Georgia and tried to persuade him to somehow find the 11,780 votes he needed.
Re: Trump hatred.
You realise that The AnswerBank has a record of posts made right?
So I had a quick look back at mine. I've mentioned him once this year (a rather innocuous comment here: https:/
I went back to May 2022 and can't find any other mention of him despite the number of news stories about him in that period.
I don't hate the man. I save that for DeSantis.
ClareTG0ld
Absolutely bang on. You remember that Town Hall with Hillary where it was put to him that he been saying that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from him. He was asked whether he'd concede defeat if he lost the election and he replied "I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense, okay?"
Absolutely bang on. You remember that Town Hall with Hillary where it was put to him that he been saying that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from him. He was asked whether he'd concede defeat if he lost the election and he replied "I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense, okay?"
Naomi, could you kindly remove ymb's comment that broke the Site Rules regarding use of preferred names.
As for "blind hatred" -- the operative word here is "blind". My feelings on Trump are informed by what I see, by what I read, by the evidence I've seen. How is that blindness? It is not.
As for "blind hatred" -- the operative word here is "blind". My feelings on Trump are informed by what I see, by what I read, by the evidence I've seen. How is that blindness? It is not.
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