What's Yr Opinion About Mr Greenwood ?

[piggynose]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66540492

[Arksided]

A fantastic talented player of that there is no doubt. but if he is proven guilty then I'd prefer if he doesn't pull on a United shirt.

[perseverer]

For a slightly different case, and one involving a footballer with a much lower profile or financial value, you could read up on the case of David Goodwillie.

For example, https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/glasgow-united-david-goodwillie-rape-30542967
But numerous other reports.

[New Judge]

//NJ, you're arguing about the difference between "not guilty" and "innocent" but the legislation cleary states someone is presumed to be innocent unless found guilty.//

No I'm not, corby.

I'm not arguing about the legal presumption of innocence at all. I accept that in legal proceedings the accused is considered innocent until a court determines otherwise. I've never said any different.

However, that presumption only applies to legal proceedings. So let's try another question: do you consider that only those convicted by a court can be considered guilty of any wrongdoing? By "guilty" I don't mean "found guilty", I mean actually responsible for the commission of a crime.

[royfromaus]

Why all the semantics?

If you've heard the tape, how can you defend him?

[Old_Geezer]

I don't understand why NJ point isn't clear to all, or would be even if he hadn't come back to it again & again.

However, I did wonder what happened to that vodka, and glad to hear the confession, as it's apparently good for the soul. Now how about a glassfull all round ?

[New Judge]

Hic... hic.... :-)