Coward Sacks Braver Man

[royfromaus]

Well, Braver woman.

 

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, //She's a very unpopular figure with most voters //

 

I think you're way wide of the mark.   I truly suspect they've shot themselves in the foot with this one.  I'm now seriously deliberating on what to do next polling day.

[Peter Pedant]

Is this the thread that says Cameron is a Lord?

he cant be and be an MP....

[Peter Pedant]

Naomi is very wise indeed _ I dont want to be deleted this time. and yes I agree, I think firing her ( Braverman) has spelt the end of the party  ( in power)

[naomi24]

He's not an MP.

[Peter Pedant]

O god he is! - a lord  - - - dubble sozza

Last foreign secretary as a Lord was Carrington ( Thatcher 1979) and it was a disaster ( loss of the Falklands).

Lord Curzon turned down the premiership in 1936 as he did not think a Lord should be PM - no way to question him, as in PMQ. hem hem.

Last PM - Lord was Salisbury

[Peter Pedant]

hey everybardy - one of my posts has lasted longer than three minutes !

the mods are wise beyong solomon ( Rumpole sort of)

[nicebloke1]

If Sunak was a coward he would not have taken all the flack when he gave her a second chance, she failed again, so you cant keep supporting such, unlike Boris did.

[youngmafbog]

Would you ever vote Tory nicebloke?

[youngmafbog]

And what many on the left are missing is that many tories I have spoken to this morning are even more disgusted by the appointment of a non MP and failed PM.

It's a double whammy almost as if Sunak was offered a job by Musk - bit like Clegg.

[Untitled]

tory party faithful are a very small fraction of the wider tory vote... as ichkeria says it is a similar problem to the corbynite/momentum group. popular in party does not mean popular in country

[royfromaus]

Braverman appeared to be popular even to the far right (that includes anyone slightly right of Corbyn now) 

[youngmafbog]

Same quaetion to you Untitled.

Would you ever vote Tory?

[Untitled]

no lol but i am not suggesting the party needs to win my vote... i just think braverman is less popular than you think she is 

i know how it feels... i am to the left of most voters and like many politicians who are not very popular (i like corbyn, i like ed milliband, i like angela rayner but i understand most people do not)... unfortunately one must learn to separate your admiration for someone and their wider popularity among more "normal" voters

[sp1814]

Yes, this is all very well, but the trajectory of Home Secretaries since 1997 suggests the next one is going to be a mix of Voldemort and Frank Spencer.

[Untitled]

it's james cleverly sp 

a man with a very tragic misnomer lol

[Tilly2]

Gawd! Another Home Secretary determined to stop small boats.

[Ellipsis]

Braverman out, Cleverly across, Cameron in ... but is anybody happy?

[royfromaus]

Esther McVey...she's happy

[Ellipsis]

I mean the right, the left, the centre ... ??? I suppose the centre is the happiest, but that doesn't mean that they're happy ...

[Peter Pedant]

it's james cleverly sp . a man with a very tragic misnomer lol

as in He does things, Cleverly

er no he doesnt.

the opposite of nominative determinism ( surname describes the man. Mr Tooth the dentist, Mr Foot the cobbler.

Like having - Mr Skint the Chancellor, or Mr Last , the Prime Minister - Lord North PM 1762-83 who lived in the South or the famous Mr Merrydown, who was stuck up a chimney in a lunatic asylum....

sozza