Do You Think Ed Davey Will Lose His Seat Against The Former Post Mistress Standing Against Him At The General Election?

[Paul22118]

Did Alan Bates recall correctly that Davey would not meet him?  Why would he not, as a government minister (Post Office) at least set upon a trail of investigation eg Is there another sub PM in the UK who has the same problem?  Make it a topic for conversation and investigation - as it finally now is.

[naomi24]

I've just watched newsnight where two of the victims were interviewed and I feel quite emotional right now.  This is shameful, utterly shameful.  This was a well kept secret and heads must roll - an awful lot of them including his.  Doubtless he has a nice pension pot so he won't suffer too severely.  Certainly not as those people have.  He's alright Jack.

[Deskdiary]

I wonder whether the irony is lost on Ed Davey that he's very quick to call for the resignation of people. I doubt it.

19 times!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/will-ed-davey-have-to-quit/#:~:text=Today';s%20Times%20points%20out%20that,X%20account%20since%20April%202019.

[Ellipsis]

Anyone focusing on Ed Davey is playing Deflection. The history of this scandal is that it took place under Labour for about 10 years, and was covered up, quashed and delayed under the Tories for about 15 years. Ed Davey in 2010 was a bit part player in the whole debacle. Paula Vennells was given a CBE in 2019 under the Tories ... try deflecting that.

[naomi24]

Personally I've no intention of attempting to deflect that or any of it.  To my mind it should be beneath everyone to play political point scoring over this.   Regardless of politics, everyone who knew what was going on - and there were many  - should and must be held to account.  I cannot think of a bigger scandal - ever.  The words 'shameful national disgrace' don't come close to describing it.  

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - In an ideal world, justice would be done.

But here in the world we live in, a lot of people will say "Lessons have been learned...", not receive the punch in the face they deserve for such patronizing guff, and the guilty will walk away unscathed. 

Just thinking about it is bringing on one of my 'heads'.

[ichkeria]

I hope Ed Davey holds his seat. However:

"Personally I would ban anyone without a minimum of five years experience at senior local government level from standing as a prospective MP."

What? That would go right against the principles of our democracy. If she wants to stand she has every  right 

[andy-hughes]

Ich - Why is that against the spirit of democracy.

I don't see the issue in requiring an appropriate level of experience for candidates for one of the most important and responsible jobs there is.

Having complete amateurs standing, and being elected on a wave of righteous anger, is not the way to get good MPs into Parliament. 

 

[naomi24]

If it brings new blood untainted by years of willingness to support festering lies and political corruption, righteous anger is a good thing - and in this case is more than appropriate.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - An atmosphere of righteous anger, however justified, is not, in my view, a basis for selecting someone to act as an MP for four years. 

[naomi24]

So you said.

[Ellipsis]

There is a principle that MPs should be like jurors, dragged in kicking and screaming to serve society ...

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Naomi - An atmosphere of righteous anger, however justified, is not, in my view, a basis for selecting someone to act as an MP for four years. " - You're right it's not but it will give pleasure to millions if it happens!

[davebro3]

Might be better if there were more "outsiders" in parliament rather than just those who have come up through the party, ranks not experiencing anything other than politicking.

[ichkeria]

"Ich - Why is that against the spirit of democracy."

What, the principle that anyone within reason can stand for Parliament? Can't think!

She might be an excellent MP. And if she wins I wish her well. I just feel uncomfortable, as you do to, with the targeting of Ed Davey in particular 

[JACKSON-REACHER]

There have been 20 successors to Davy (of being responsible for the Post Office - all Conservative.

All to an equal amount have been the cause of this injustice taking 15 years to finally be admitted.

[naomi24]

^That could be because the Conservatives have been in government for the past 14 years.  Just a thought.  But that said, if they were also aware of what was going on - and I suspect they were -  they, along with Ed Davey, should go.  Those accountable have to be held to account for this - whoever they are.

[Paul22118]

Andy @ 11.13 - If she gets elected and I think she will, at least the people who vote for her will finally get an 'honest' member of parliament.

[Peter Pedant]

If she asks you to stick to the topic, it's as a moderator, not as Naomi24. 

if only it were so ! - ed davey refused to meet first off, and then gave a brush off ( you know like AB mods do here ) and then  met

It is very difficult to go / get around a guilty vedict. first response is: it  is meant to work like  that . second esponse is as well.

in these circs, you usually have to do it to them to make them take notice

[Peter Pedant]

There is a principle that MPs should be like jurors, dragged in kicking and screaming to serve society ..

christ principle that has remained well hidden over  the centuries.

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, //If she asks you to stick to the topic, it's as a moderator, not as Naomi24. 

if only it were so !//

 

It is so - and the request to stick to the topic applies to you too.

 

Tony Blair was warned that the system might be flawed but allowed it to be rolled out nonetheless.  Responsibility for this appalling episode runs far and wide.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12972927/tony-blair-horizon-scandal-refuses-answer-questions.html